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(5) Matthew 26. 26 - 30 continued

C.A.C. As we were dwelling last week on the thought of taking and eating, I wondered if the Lord would say something to us this afternoon about drinking.

I feel impressed with the thought that the presentation in Matthew and Mark is of very great importance. We are apt to begin with Luke and to think perhaps of the remembrance.

Rem. Will the act of remembrance be greatly enhanced if we eat and drink in a spiritual way?

C.A.C. That is what I had in mind, and I think it is important for us. There is no doubt that in Luke we get the setting of things more in relation to the assembly.

Rem. You would say there is a kind of moral order in it all? We can only "remember" what we know and appreciate; eating and drinking deepens the knowledge.

C.A.C. Yes. It seems to me there is the thought of eating and drinking connected with this matter, as well as remembrance.

Ques. Was there a cup with the passover?

C.A.C. There was no cup in the institution of the passover, but we find in the course of centuries it had become necessary to have one or more cups on the table at the passover, and evidently there was one on the table which the Lord took.

Ques. Is building up connected equally with the cup?

C.A.C. I thought so. I thought the strength of the constitution would be derived from the bread – the eating – but the stimulation would be connected with the cup.

The eating and drinking pass out of sight when you come to remembrance, and the Lord Himself is the Object in view.

It seems to me that the thought of eating and drinking morally precedes the thought of remembrance, providing constitution and stimulation so that there is perfect freedom to take up the remembrance where the Lord fills the vision.

Rem. In Exodus 24 you get eating and drinking, both ideas are there.

C.A.C. Yes, and the thought of drinking is very prominent in Scripture. We all remember the allusion in 1 Corinthians 12 where he says,

I think in connection with the Lord's supper there is the great thought of stimulation. We should look for that on every occasion.

The drinking is part of the remembrance in 1 Corinthians. I think the drinking in Corinthians merges in the remembrance.

Ques. Why does the Lord have more to say about drinking than eating? I mean, in a practical way, we find we need to understand the cup more than we do the bread. Is that not so?

C.A.C. I think so. In the bread we get the great thought of the Lord's incarnation. He has actually been here in a prepared body, a body entirely different from any other man's. He was a true Man but unique in His humanity.

Ques. Were you linking the remembrance with the cup?

C.A.C. No, I said it is also connected with the cup.

Ques. Why is it the cup and not its contents?

C.A.C. The prominent thing before the Lord is the common character of it. The cup, that is the vessel from which all drink, shews it is a portion shared by all.

So we are liberated for a new kind of association which the Lord intimates is to be known by His saints outside all question of sins. They have been remitted in the power of the blood.

After they had drunk in Mark He said to them,

Rem. The Lord "gives thanks" for the cup.

C.A.C. In blessing the bread the Lord is clothing it with such import as no loaf ever had before, so that it can be taken and eaten on our part as conveying the thoughts which the Lord has impressed upon it in blessing.

In the cup there is that which the Lord could recognise as coming in from God for men, and He could take part in thanksgiving for it.

Rem. It has been said that there is the silence of weakness or the silence of power.

C.A.C. Yes, but there is not much power in silence if nothing has been said before, but

Rem. In the Song of Songs we have;

C.A.C. We need to he exercised in heart as to all that is connected especially with the supper, so that the spiritual side should be uppermost with us.

Ques. Are you linking it with what is to come, or with His entering into it in a new way with us now?

C.A.C. I think the Lord is linking the hearts of His own to a new kind of association – a spiritual association outside this scene where He was about to die.

Ques. Which of the two cups is it here?

C.A.C. In Matthew and Mark the cup merges in the supper;

Ques. Would you state the difference between "my blood" and "the fruit of the vine?"

C.A.C. I think the fruit of the vine was suggestive of what would be enjoyed in the millennium.

Ques. Do you think the assembly has no part in it, or that we touch it now?

C.A.C. I think the Lord was leaving all that for the moment although He was entitled to all earthly blessing and joy as Man, and entitled to an earthly kingdom.

Rem. The Lord said in Luke following the supper,

C.A.C. Yes, but that has not come in yet.

Rem. It would shew a very blessed scene of glory as the result of the Lord's operations.

C.A.C. But really our association is entirely different; it is the fellowship of the body and blood of Christ, and the more we understand that, the more we shall understand the character of the blessing that has come in.

Rem. The kingdom of God is "righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit" – it is the spiritual side.

C.A.C. Yes. We come into it as a people who are really called to heavenly blessing, but we touch the new covenant, or the new covenant touches us in a spiritual way.

Rem. He gets from us the response He would have had from Israel.

C.A.C. Yes, and very much more. There will be very much more from a company of persons in association with Christ where He is, than from any earthly people.

Of course all these things take on an infinite character when they are connected with divine Persons. Everything is as immense as it is immeasurable.

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(6) 1 Corinthians 11: 23-26

C.A.C. It may be well just to say what we had before us on a previous occasion, namely the presentation in Mark's gospel and in Matthew of the Lord's supper –

But when we come to the account in Luke of what took place in the presence of the twelve apostles, and the account given to us by Paul, which he received from the Lord that he might give it to the Gentile assemblies,

Ques. Does Luke's account follow this?

C.A.C. Well, I think it is very likely that this account was the first one that was given to the assembly.

Ques. Does it belong exclusively to the assembly?

C.A.C. Yes, we have no reason to think otherwise, and the moral significance of the one loaf and the one body would confirm that thought.

Rem. Other families will take up other things, but not this.

C.A.C. I think that is so. It was for the collective calling of the Lord to mind, so that no amount of individual exercise or desire, prayer or study of the Scripture could take the place of it.

Ques. Is there not the thought of His sufferings?

C.A.C. The Lord did not mourn. No, the sufferings are not absent, but they are past. When the Lord instituted the supper He was in mind beyond His sufferings and death.

Rem. To remember the Lord in His death is not a right expression.

C.A.C. No, I do not think that it is right, though it is often used and affectionately meant. But it cannot be established by Scripture.

Rem. The emblems represent a dead Christ, it has been said. We cannot dissociate them from His death.

C.A.C. Yes, His body is given and His blood poured out, that is clearly in death; but it is for a remembrance – the calling of mr to mind.

Rem. His death is included.

C.A.C. Quite so. It is not Christ after the flesh that we call to mind, it is a living Christ known in love which has been expressed in death.

Rem. We are apt to be too historical. Mr. Raven called attention to its being a remembrance, not a reminiscence.

C.A.C. Yes. No one will understand the supper until he sees the Lord was anticipatively beyond His sufferings and death, and is now actually so, so that nothing remains but thanksgiving.

We have been saying that there needs to be a constitution built up, so that assimilation precedes this. The eating and the drinking, I think, really preceded the calling of Him to mind.

Rem. It is remembrance of Himself.

C.A.C. It is "in remembrance of me" in relation to this particular act of breaking bread and giving thanks for the cup. The Lord says "This do" – you do it, but do it for the calling of me to mind.

Ques. What is the significance of when He was "delivered up?" It is not when He died.

C.A.C. I think the great moment of crisis had come. That was the thought – the great moment of crisis.

We see the importance of this matter to the Lord. He had given it officially in the presence of the twelve apostles, who represented the assembly administratively;

Rem. The Supper is introductory to what is coming.

C.A.C. I think the Lord had a good deal in view that He did not unfold to the Corinthians, because they were not ready for it. The apostle suggests that he has many things to add later on,

Ques. "The Lord Jesus, in the night in which he was delivered up" – would it be suggestive of intense affection?

C.A.C. Yes. And yet the supper was being brought in correctively.

Rem. I should like to be clearer as to the difference between blessing the loaf and giving thanks for it.

C.A.C. When the Lord blessed the loaf He gave it a new and spiritual import which never attached to any loaf before;

It is important to notice that the whole service has the character of calling to mind from the giving thanks for the loaf, which is the beginning of the service, to the drinking of the cup which is the end of the service of calling Him to mind.

Ques. We have spoken of the Lord giving His body for the will of God, here it is "for you". Is it included in the thought of the will of God?

C.A.C. I think all that was accomplished for God in the giving of His body is conferred on the assembly – the whole value of it.

Rem. Everything up to that point is prescribed, and nothing after.

C.A.C. Yes, quite so. We have no divine authority to do anything else before we break bread, not to carry on a little service before it, which has been done.

Rem. Sometimes we try to work up to it as an object.

C.A.C. In christendom they have what they call "the Lord's supper" at the end of the service. That is not the divine thought, it is at the beginning! Acts 20: 7.

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(7) John 12: 1-8

C.A.C. It was before us on a previous occasion that the effect of calling the Lord to mind as the One who gave His body and poured out His blood, would be, that perfect unity of mind would be found marking the assembly –

We have been reminded more than once that the "me" has its counterpart in the "ou".

I was wondering whether we had considered quite sufficiently the bringing to light of the true character of the assembly involved in the act of calling Him to mind.

Rem. There is the necessity of having our minds in unison in regard to the Lord; it brings us together.

C.A.C. Is that not a most important side of the matter? Not only does the assembly call the Lord to mind, but also manifests itself thereby in its true character as entirely occupied with Him.

I was thinking of the Song of Songs 5. The spouse is challenged in verse 9.

It is "me". The Lord does not say, "Do this in remembrance that Christ died for thee". That is not the thought at all. It is not what He has done, but what He is – it is Himself.

I was thinking that as the spouse speaks of Him in this way in admiration and delight, she comes to view as the undefiled one of chapter 6 verse 9.

So that really the Lord's supper brings the assembly to light, and I believe it is the divine way of bringing the assembly to light in this world – bringing to light a company of persons who are unified in their thoughts of Christ.

Rem. "I am coming to you".

C.A.C. I was thinking of that. He comes on that principle, as being desired, not sent for.

I think sometimes the Lord waits; He waits for this. He waits to see the effect which the supper has had upon us, whether we have really been unified and whether our minds are full of Himself as calling Him to mind. He waits for that.

It is very important that room should be left in the assembly for the character of things we get in John 12.

Ques. Would the previous chapters enter into it?

C.A.C. I think so in a very marked way. They had learnt Him on previous occasions and particularly in chapter 11. They had learnt Him as the resurrection and the life. He was unrivalled in their thoughts.

Lazarus is not active in the service of the occasion; Mary and Martha are. He represents the thought of "part with Me".

Rem. It is a matter of affection and of what is subjective; what has been brought out in that sense, rather than what is apparent or in testimony.

C.A.C. I thought that. This service is entirely a matter of ministering to the Lord – not to God or the Father, but to the Lord – and ministering to Him in the feminine affection of the assembly; that is the prominent thought.

Rem. This was an occasion of great value to the Lord; He came to Bethany by His own selection.

C.A.C. Yes, I think that is right. The Lord loves the appreciation of the assembly. We must be exercised that this part of the service is maintained.

Rem. It is good to see Martha's over-activity adjusted here.

C.A.C. It seems to me that Martha represents the element that would secure what is suitable in the external service of the assembly;

How this carries us away from anything formal or religious! If this is right the outward would be right, so that the assembly, marked by this service, would be in perfect order.

Rem. She was ready to take advantage of her opportunity.

C.A.C. That is a very helpful suggestion. It should make us very alert. We need to be alert at the supper. We ought to be more lively then than at any other time.

Ques. In intelligent affection?

C.A.C. Yes, so that this extraordinary wealth of appreciation of the assembly should come into evidence.

Rem. It is good to know exactly when to come in.

C.A.C. That is very delightful in regard to any little part that we take in the meeting. It is important in the service that every part in it should fit in.

Rem. And the place is mentioned. It says it was there, where the dead man had been.

C.A.C. And it is in the place where His death has been. What it must be to the Lord in the midst of a world that actually despises and rejects Him, to see a company that thinks everything of Him! We can hardly conceive the delight it must be to Him.

Rem. It is the place where death has been overcome and set aside.

C.A.C. Yes, and do not you think that Mary is there? He has died, and all she has to think of is His burial, and in her mind the day has arrived for His burial. It is beautiful.

Rem. Mary anoints His feet, which speak of His pathway down here.

C.A.C. His feet now move in the assembly in a new way.

One wishes these things might affect us and come out in the service of the assembly.

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(8) John 13: 1; John 14: 18

C.A.C. It is not easy to suggest Scriptures comprehensive enough to cover all that relates to what we are considering but I thought we could read these two verses to start with, and work from that.

I might just say that we have been looking at matters connected with the Lord's supper.

We referred to the Song of Songs 5: 10-16, beginning with the spouse saying,

The effect in chapter 6 verse 9 is that the attitude of her mind, in calling Him to mind, brings her into view in her unique beauty under His eye.

Ques. Would you say how the Lord's service of feet-washing is connected with that?

C.A.C. That is necessary on account of something on our side, but I was not thinking of dwelling on that particularly, as I do not know that it should have been prominent, but it comes in incidentally, on account of the need of His own.

Rem. The assembly is the only vessel that can rightly interpret the heart of Christ

C.A.C. What He communicates must be greater than anything we can say to Him. What He says to us in Headship is of the greatest importance. It must be so when the marriage tie is in view.

In these chapters the Lord has very much to say about the Father, it really would answer to His declaring the Father's Name; and He would bring us into His mind, that we should get spiritual impressions of what is opened out in chapters 13-17.

We shall never understand the assembly unless we see how the Lord was with His own, as J.N.D. and J.B.S. said. In learning how the Lord was with His own in these chapters, we get an apprehension of the character of things that belongs to the assembly. I think it was a drawing of them to His side.

Rem. "I will declare thy name unto my brethren", comes first.

C.A.C. "I will declare thy name unto my brethren" comes necessarily before His singing praise, and all that is before us in John is connected with making known the Father's Name.

The first thing after the supper is that we should serve Him. There was the supper and Martha's service and Mary's pound of ointment, all that He should be served.

Rem. "Another Comforter".

C.A.C. It is the Spirit on the line of needed support. He takes His place in service and represents Him on the line of His service for us, just as the Lord served His own in these chapters. Chapters 13-17 are full of His service in love for His own.

Rem. "The Head, from whom all the body, ministered to and united together by the joints and bands, increases with the increase of God", Colossians 2: 19.

C.A.C. That exactly puts in one verse all that I had in mind. The Head ministers, with the result that the body becomes intelligent.

Ques. You mean in the sense of the assembly as one whole, so that there is freedom?

C.A.C. I thought so. It is not given to us purely as doctrine; the service of the assembly is never laid down in doctrine. If it were, all christendom would have followed it.

We need to pick up the spiritual hints dropped. We shall not he qualified to sing with Him unless the thoughts relating to God and the Father have the place with us that they had with Him.

Ques. Is it voluntary?

C.A.C. You can join a chapel on a voluntary basis, and some have joined the brethren on a voluntary basis, but how would you get into the body on a voluntary basis? Nobody does.

Rem. The breaking of bread is not a matter of option.

C.A.C. No christian is left at liberty as to whether he will break bread or not. It is never supported or contemplated in Scripture that a believer will not eat the Lord's supper.

Rem. Would you say a word as to sensitiveness to the Lord's movements, what promotes it?

C.A.C. Nothing will promote it but personal acquaintance with the Lord, to know Him well enough to know when He says, "Arise, let us go hence".

Rem. John who was so intimate with Him would know.

C.A.C. A man like that would know whether the Lord was speaking to them or to the Father. All the apostles would know. When He lifted up His eyes to heaven, they all knew He was speaking to the Father.

The Lord would draw us to His side by speaking of the communications in chapters 13-16 in the assembly or whenever we come together, so that we might be so served by Him that we really come to His side.

Ques. It would be mediatorial service would you say?

C.A.C. Yes, surely. Well, one can only with imperfection say these things, and the Lord can help us and I hope will, because I think the side of the Lord's service to us is little understood.

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(9) Hebrews 2: 11-12

C.A.C. I might say what was in mind was, that we might consider the Headship of Christ in its Godward aspect.

Rem. In Psalm 22 it is the great result of His death.

C.A.C. Yes, quite so, it is the result of the death of Christ in sin-offering character.

Ques. What do you mean by that?

C.A.C. He is the great Sanctifier; the sin-offering was necessitated by the holiness of God.

Rem. You said that here in Hebrews it is rather more positional.

C.A.C. Yes. I think this is a Scripture that the Hebrews did not enter into much, but you have to go to John to get the completeness of it.

Rem. "By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified".

C.A.C. The understanding of this is most important.

Ques. In 1 Corinthians 1: 2 it says,

C.A.C. Yes. It is by the calling of God and as in Christ Jesus, but this Scripture supposes a work of God in men, because the saints are in view in their character as the children of Abraham, the subjects of divine calling and divine work.

Rem. "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all".

C.A.C. God is most concerned that we should honour Christ and the work of Christ.

Ques. The importance of this matter hangs on the understanding of being "all of one" would you say?

C.A.C. Yes, and it is how Christ regards us, not how we regard ourselves.

Rem. They are called "holy brethren".

C.A.C. That is how we regard one another. The writer addresses them as holy brethren, they are not viewed in any other way.

It seems to me, it is this that sets us perfectly free to listen to the Lord declaring the Father's Name to us.

Rem. Here the brethren are a necessity to Christ in the service, if one might so say.

C.A.C. Yes. He must have a company to whom He can declare the Name of God, and the company must be sanctified apart from the question of sin and unsuitability.

Rem. This would seem to be an amplified quotation, for singing is added here.

C.A.C. Yes, that is very interesting, and this matter of singing is one of which we have no example in Scripture, except as suggested in the hymn they sang after the supper. If we want to understand it, we must enter into it ourselves.

I think perhaps the most important matter in the service of God is to understand how He sings. He says, "I will sing", that is, the great point to understand is how He sings, because that will affect us profoundly.

The declaration of God's Name, or the Father's Name, which is included in it, is to us-ward, but His singing is Godward.

Ques. "By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified". What character of sanctification is taken up there?

C.A.C. I think it goes beyond the thought of that Scripture.

Ques. As Minister of the sanctuary, is that more the thought?

C.A.C. No doubt it comes in at the same time in the service Godward. Minister of the sanctuary undoubtedly suggests the thought of singing. There was no singing in the tabernacle service.

Rem. In Chronicles we read of Asaph giving direction as to the singing in the service of God. Does Christ not give direction as Head to what is voiced in the assembly?

C.A.C. I think He gives us apprehension as to how He sings. There is a quality and excellence about His singing in the midst of the assembly because He is there as Head, He is the pre-eminent One. He is not on a level with His brethren, He is amongst them as the Firstborn, He has a unique place.

I think the whole thing depends on Christ having His distinctive place. We do not understand the place of many brethren if we do not understand the Firstborn.

Rem. "For their sakes I sanctify myself that they also might be sanctified through the truth", John 17.

C.A.C. The "Myself" is distinct from the "they". All this is much for the pleasure of God, that we should realise that there is this divine Person who has come into Manhood, that He might take this place before God, and no one can sing as He does.

What we are speaking of now is what He is as the glorious ascended Man, that is the One who now sings to God. He is in that position, the glorified Man, the heavenly Man. He moves Godward in ascension and He links us up in that way.

Rem. In Exodus it says, "Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song".

C.A.C. And I have no doubt Moses sang it in a much more excellent way than they did. We find on the side of response they did not go very far. –

Ques. The unique place of Christ enters into sonship too does it not? He is the unique One.

C.A.C. Yes, and that being understood He should take the central place in the assembly, so that the assembly may gather in some sense how He sings to His God and Father. That will put our singing right.

We cannot get any further than that, it is pretty well the climax of our subject, and that is what the supper leads to.

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THE  SERVICE  OF  GOD
AND  THE  LORD'S  SUPPER  (1)

1 Corinthians 11: 17-34; 12: 1-12
Ministry by J. Taylor, 68: 342-363
Birmingham, August 1949

J. Taylor. 1870-1953

J.F.G. Is it important that this matter of the covering and the principle of headship should be understood by us? Is it suggested here in view of taking the Supper?

J.T. Yes, quite. That is the setting of it. Then the Spirit coming in all through, to give power to the celebration of the Lord's supper, because it leads to the whole service of God.

J.P.H. Would you say a word to distinguish the matter of covering in verse 5 from the authority on her head in verse 10? The brethren would be glad of help about that.

J.T. Verse 5 is, "Every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered puts her own head to shame; for it is one and the same as a shaved woman";

J.P.H. Is it, or is it not, the same kind of covering that is referred to in each verse, or is the covering in verse 5 more complete than in verse 10?

J.T. In verse 10 what is alluded to is authority, power in the sense of authority. That is to say there is the recognition that there is one above the woman, there is a power or authority above her; whereas in praying and prophesying it is to show respect for order.

Rem. So that in the assembly the angels see God's order in creation fully recovered.

J.T. Just so. God's order in creation.

Ques. I was thinking of the relative place of the man and the woman, and how it is so much denied in the world. Is it an object lesson for the angels to see that fully recognised, in those who form the assembly?

J.T. Quite so. The assembly is really the greatest family, and it is therefore of supreme importance that there should be no disorder or irregularity in the dress of our sisters, and of the brothers too, especially in the assembly, because that is the point. It comes into the great matter of the Lord's supper, which we have from verse 17 onwards.

J.T-r. Would you say a little further what you have in mind as to the headship of Christ at the Supper?

J.T. There is the divine order beginning with God Himself, and then descending to Christ and then to the man and then to the woman; it is all a question of order.

W.C. Had you in mind that the two passages would run parallel? What is actually done in connection with the remembrance of the Lord, and then the Spirit as the power in relation to it?

J.T. I would say that.

J.P. Is the literal covering referred to a token of the spirit of subjection that the Lord desires to see in His saints in view of the Supper?

J.T. Quite so. It might be well read with Ephesians 5, only this passage in Corinthians is the one that is devoted specially to the order of the Lord's supper.

Ques. Do you mean that those in the Corinthian position would be governed by the light of what comes out in Ephesians, that the assembly is subjected to the Christ?

J.T. That is what I would say. As I said, it may be trivial to some minds, but God is pleased to give considerable space to it, and it should be observed.

F.J.F. Would there be any suggestion of the Spirit, as typified by Eliezer, preparing the woman for the meeting of Isaac? I was thinking of the Lord coming in at the Supper and the Spirit having everything in order. The woman, as Rebecca, is fitted for the meeting.

J.T. Just so. So that in Genesis 24, Isaac observes the camels, which would mean the power by which the saints are carried.

Rem. And that is said in relation to both the emblems.

J.T. Just so. "In like manner also the cup"; it is only one cup.

J.T-r. Would these thoughts you are dwelling on help us as to the order of procedure at the Supper? I wondered if you had anything in mind as to addressing the Lord, and how and when the Spirit might come in.

J.T. The first thing to note is that it is for the Lord Himself. It is not God's supper nor the Spirit's supper; it is the Lord's supper.

Ques. So that what is for the Lord is rendered to Him in spiritual power?

J.T. Quite so. Spiritual power is the great feature in the service of God. It is not mere ritualism; it is spiritual power, but nevertheless there is order.

J.T-r. I am only feeling the need of help. If the Spirit is with us, as we so blessedly know, could we enquire what part He takes?

J.T. Well, it is what we do first, for the saints begin the service.

P.L. And as gathered in body feelings would that furnish the Spirit scope in His augmenting service?

J.T. Quite so. So that the sisters and brothers would fall into line, as it were, for we are all on the same level in the Lord's supper.

J.P. Are the emblems to be to our minds as a source of power in our souls for the concentration of our thoughts and affections upon the Lord Himself as calling Him to mind?

J.T. Quite so. We could not have the Lord's supper without the emblems.

E.B.McC. Do you find it joyous to address a few words to the Spirit before speaking to the Lord on the Lord's day morning, because of His great work in bringing forward the assembly?

J.T. Well, it is Christ's assembly, I do not see that we should be specially concerned about saying a few words to the Spirit, because it is a question of the assembly, and the service of God being worked out in the assembly.

P.A.F. Do we not proceed as giving place to the Spirit as power with us, yet concentrating on the Lord?

J.T. I think the saints as come together are to be first thought of, because it is for them. They came together at Corinth, but the order was not right, and the apostle could not praise them for what they were doing.

Ques. Is the statement in Acts 20 the normal thing,

J.T. Quite so. "We being assembled".

F.R.H. Could that be said of those at Corinth?

J.T. It could not be at this time, because the apostle says, in verse 17,

Ques. But did he not reckon that what he wrote to them would have the adjusting effect desired?

J.T. I think it did have the desired effect.

Rem. He is not urging them not to continue; he is recognising the assembly position there and adjusting them to bring them into it rightly.

J.T. He says, "When ye come together in assembly"; that is the first time you get that phrase mentioned.

Ques. Would the clothing that the servant gave to Rebecca have any bearing on what you are saying in regard of the covering on the sisters?

J.T. Yes, I would say that. He is a type of the Spirit, and what he did is to be regarded in that light. That, of course, belongs to the next part of our subject and we shall come to chapter 12 presently.

G.C.G. In regard to the matter of what is initial, is it not a matter of appropriating one another in love:

J.T. Just so, appropriating one another. In some countries they might kiss each other, but we here in England just shake hands with each other when we come together.

Rem. So that the Lord's supper is actually celebrated in an atmosphere of love amongst ourselves.

J.T. Quite so. There is a suitable atmosphere and suitable conditions too, because it says in verse 28 of our chapter,

Ques. And our inter-relations with one another?

J.T. Just so. As our brother says, it is a question of our appropriating one another.

J.T-r. Would you say a further word about coming together in assembly, please?

J.T. Well, it is not as you would come together on a railway station, for example.

Ques. Were you saying just now that if conditions are right we should normally break bread immediately?

J.T. I would say that. It is what we have come to do. Time was when it was different.

Eu.R. Do your remarks as to speaking to the Lord rather than to the Spirit in relation to the loaf apply equally in giving thanks for the cup?

J.T. They would. A hymn is quite in order, and usually comes first when we come together. We greet the Lord, and we greet one another too, happily and freely taking part in it together.

Ques. Do the emblems speak peculiarly of His love in giving Himself in death?

J.T. Quite so. "This is my body", He says, "which is for you". It is to be appropriated.

Rem. The words, "in remembrance of me", in relation to both the emblems make the matter a very affecting one for our hearts, because it is so personal.

J.T. Yes.

F.J.F. Is it the same as in Jude, "a love feast"?

J.T. Well, I suppose so! I prefer to say "the Lord's supper".

E.B.McC. We address the Lord in a hymn and then we speak to Him. We do not speak to the Spirit.

J.T. No, I would speak to the Lord first. You said earlier that you enjoyed the thought of speaking a few words to the Spirit? Did I understand you?

E.B.McC. That was after the hymn, of course.

Rem. It has been suggested that in view of the fact that the Spirit has served us in locating the place where the Supper is held, "a large upper room furnished", it would be in order to thank Him briefly in relation to that, and that there is warrant for this speaking to Him near the beginning of the meeting, in Luke 22.

J.T. Perhaps it would be well to read the passage from Luke 22, so that we can see what is in mind. Matthew and Mark and Luke all have some reference to the Lord's supper; John has not; but the one that is in mind now is Luke 22.

J.F.G. What our brother is referring to is the man with the guest-chamber.

J.T. We are dealing with the passover there, of course, but then the Lord's supper comes in in the next section in the same chapter.

Ques. Presumably it was in that room that the Lord's supper was held?

J.T. I would say that too. But then, what do you mean further about that?

Rem. The Spirit has served us as master of the house as He served the disciples here. He showed them where it was, "a large upper room furnished", and it has been suggested that that is warrant for our thanking Him briefly, you might say, in passing.

J.T. Well, but I think the order that we proceed with is, that it is just an ordinary room, an ordinary meeting place.

Ques. Is it important in that way that we do not add to the order as given in Corinthians? I was thinking of how in the history of the assembly much has been built around the Supper, in what the systems have made of it, that has been false.

J.T. I think there has been a lot out of order, but God has helped us to correct that, so that I believe we have come back to the order of it according to this chapter.

Ques. If we were all, in every place, governed by what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 11, would it not greatly simplify matters and make for more directness?

J.T. Yes, it is a remarkable thing that Paul does say so much. He is the one that had the order of the assembly given to him.

Ques. Is it noteworthy in Paul that he gives the truth of the feast of unleavened bread connected with the passover in chapter 5, and says no more about it in chapter 11, as though to distinguish clearly between the two in his mind, and in ours?

J.T. Very good, I would say that fully.

J.T-r. Would you also add a word as to the Spirit coming to our aid.

J.T. Well. He does. The Lord says,

Eu.R. And your thought is that in giving thanks for both the loaf and the cup, our address would be to the Lord Himself.

J.T. Exactly.

Rem. And He would be in our minds, too, in a particular way.

J.T. Quite so.

E.B.McC. Has it not been said that we are free to go to the Spirit as we feel the Spirit is prompting us?

J.T. We are ready to go to Him at any time, for that matter, but if we feel He is prompting us, well then there is something very distinctive.

Ques. And would you say He comes in relation to the local assembly, because we are on assembly ground when we are gathered?

J.T. Just so, it is in relation to the local assembly.

P.L. "He himself stood in their midst", Luke 24: 36.

J.T. Yes, quite so.

Rem. The Spirit would not urge us to do anything out of order.

J.T. Of course not.

W.C. Where would the type of Numbers 21 come in, if at all, in a practical way at the Lord's supper?

J.T. That is to the Spirit; you mean singing to the Spirit? I do not think that is a matter of the Lord's supper, at all.

W.C. I said, 'if at all'. If it does come, where would it come in?

J.T. I should not like to say, because it is a question of the Lord. It is not a question of the Spirit, nor of the Father even. It is the Lord Himself; it is the Lord's supper, 'This do for the calling of Me to mind', definitely not the Spirit, but the Lord.

Ques. Would you say that the Lord would fully reveal Himself in the giving thanks for the loaf, or would it involve the complete thought of the breaking of bread?

J.T. It is one Supper, with a dual character. The first is the bread, of course, and the second feature is the cup.

Ques. Have you not said, helpfully, that the cup augments what has already come to us in the remembrance of the Lord in the loaf?

J.T. Well, it is one Supper. That is all, just one Supper, but in two parts.

Ques. Would you amplify a little what is in your mind as to the Lord coming in from the sphere of testimony?

J.T. That is what is in mind. It is the scene where He suffered, and although we do not say He comes literally, yet He does come, according to the word,

Ques. Can we regard the Lord as near to us in that way?

J.T. Well. He comes to us, and when He comes to us He is near to us. He is in the sphere of testimony; that is the idea of it.

Ques. May I ask in regard of the earlier part of Luke 24. The Lord evidently came there, although it does not say that He came, but that He stood in their midst.

J.T. Well, they went to Emmaus, of course, and He was constrained by them to go in. They, of course, would prepare, but then He took the bread and vanished from them.

Rem. I was thinking of the distinction you are making between the Lord coming from the testimonial position, and not exactly from heaven.

J.T. Well, I think it is important to see that the service of God must be in relation to the testimonial position. It begins with it, but, of course, we go on to the Father.

Ques. Do you mean, as to the testimonial position, that from that point of view the Lord is always here?

J.T. According to Matthew, He is always here.

Ques. Could we have what is in your mind as to the way in which chapter 12 flows out of this?

J.T. Apparently the Lord, or the apostle, had it in mind, because of the word 'but'.

Ques. Would he have in mind what he had already said,

J.T. Just so, I think it is just beautiful to see it there. It is ornamental, so to speak.

E.B.McC. Where the apostle says, "I received from the Lord", would that be authoritative?

J.T. It would be. He is impressing on the Corinthians that he did receive it directly from the Lord, and that it was important for them to abide by it, and pursue the course that is indicated.

Ques. Is there some suggestion that he did not get it from the apostles?

J.T. I would think so. I think that is just the suggestion. Although the apostles had it, for we are told that they broke bread in the house, yet Paul greatly enlarged on it.

Ques. I was thinking it might elucidate for us the way in which the Supper is removed from the household setting at the beginning of Acts, and placed in the assembly by Paul's ministry.

J.T. It did. It ought to affect us all, and particularly where there is a desire to break bread.

J.T-r. Why do you think the Lord felt the night of the delivering up so plainly or feelingly?

J.T. Well, the expression is very touching, "the night in which he was delivered up", the night He was betrayed.

P.L. Does He look to the saints to reverse, in that sense, in love, the act of hatred?

J.T. Just so.

Ques. He says in the Psalms, so touchingly,

J.T. Just so, and it is especially important that young people should know what to do. They see the elder brethren and these ought to be very cautious so that they do not set a bad example.

H.P.W. So that you think loyalty with the young people is a very great thing, and greatly appreciated by the Lord.

J.T. Very good. It is a great thing to keep them in loyalty to the Lord, because it is His own Supper; it is what He has instituted Himself in relation to Himself.

H.P.W. I was thinking that the Spirit helps us in that. If we desire to be loyal to Christ, do you not think the Spirit would help us immensely?

J.T. He would indeed.

H.P.W. And bring about sensitiveness of soul, as to matters such as the covering of the head, and all those things you spoke of earlier. The Spirit would help us in that, would He not, so that we should be pleasing to the Lord.

J.T. I am sure it preserves our families too. Of course, that is a secondary thought, but it is a very important thought, that the families of the saints should be preserved.

A.E.M-o. Would you normally refer to the Lord's sufferings at the Supper?

J.T. I would, but I should refer to them very lightly, I do not think it is a matter to be enlarged on because it is a question of the Lord Himself, and His own. It says that the twelve were with Him; everything is to be authoritative because the twelve were there and saw what He did.

C.F.I. Is it your thought here that what takes place at the beginning of chapter 12 is to be in the power of the Spirit, but in addition to that does the Holy Spirit have some place objectively in the service?

J.T. I would think so. The idea of the Spirit being presented objectively is distinctly in the book of Acts. He says to Peter, for instance, "I have sent them", and so forth; and then again, "Separate me now Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them". So that the Spirit is there actively and in authority.

Ques. You mean, in what flows out of the Supper subsequently?

J.T. Just so.

J.P.H. Would you be free to say at what stage in the service on Lord's day morning you would be free to speak to the Spirit directly, briefly and spontaneously?

J.T. Well. He is the Spirit of adoption, so it would come in particularly in the second part of the service, which is the Father's part.

P.L. Could He be addressed also as the Father's Spirit?

J.T. I think so. He is said to be that.

Ques. Do I gather that your concern is that what flows out of the Supper subsequently is contingent upon the place the Lord Jesus has with us at the time?

J.T. It is a question of the place the saints have to begin with, or the assembly; because that is the idea, the matter happens in the assembly. The Lord says He will praise the Father in it too; He praises the Father in it. It is thus quite clear that we have to begin on those lines.

J.T-r. You referred just now to the Spirit objectively. Would that lead to a spirit of worship to Him?

J.T. Well, it would. The Spirit is God Himself, so that He is to be worshipped, of course. Anyone who denied that would deny the truth. The word is,

J.T-r. We are all desiring a little help on this great thought, feeling, as we blessedly do, the presence of the Holy Spirit in our coming together to break bread, but one would desire to reach a more conscious impression of how He moves and serves on that occasion.

J.T. Well, what has been said over and over again is true, that it is not the Spirit's supper, nor the Father's; it is the Lord's supper.

W.C. In view of the type in Genesis 24, and the great service of the Spirit in relation to securing the assembly for Christ, would there not be something due to Him in that setting as well as subsequently in the service?

J.T. I think so. I think we ought to read Genesis 24 more than we do, because it leads up to what we are speaking about. The Spirit typically there takes a subordinate place; that is the thing.

E.C.M. Does the title, Lord Spirit, link with the Lord's supper?

J.T. We shall come to that in the next meeting; for that is in the second epistle. He is called "the Lord the Spirit", there.

J.P. In verse 26 it says, "For as often as ye shall eat this bread, and drink the cup, ye announce the death of the Lord, until he come".

J.T. It is not exactly His coming for us, but His public coming. The Lord's coming is a well-known term in Scripture, and it is His public coming, "Until he come" means His public coming.

Ques. You mean, it is the appearing, as we usually term it, and not the rapture so much?

J.T. Yes, the appearing is the word; "all who love his appearing".

F.R.H. Would the spiritual manifestations be more or less private? You spoke, in connection with the Lord's coming, of what is public?

J.T. More or less private, yes. The part we shall have tomorrow – God willing – will be a private matter, but still the order of the assembly, or whatever is ministered in the Spirit, is a testimony.

F.J.F. So it is sacramental as well as thanksgiving?

J.T. Just so; sacramental.

Ques. Does drinking into one Spirit have a place in the Supper? "We … have all been given to drink of one Spirit".

J.T. That is just to bring about unity. It is the idea of all drinking into the same thing. The idea is to promote unity. It is one Spirit, as we sometimes sing: –

Ques. Does the cup symbolise that?

J.T. Just so. It certainly does. "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of the Christ?"

Eu.R. "Baptised into one body", too. Is there a reference in that to our having partaken of the loaf?

J.T. "Baptised into one body". That would be the action of the Spirit in putting us into the body. That is what is in mind there; He puts us into the body.

Ques. Do I understand that whilst all these things have their part, what is primarily before us is the remembrance of the Lord Jesus at the Supper, and all that flows out subsequently really flows out of the manifestation of Himself in love and power?

J.T. Very good, I think it is remarkable that the Supper should be enclosed within these two great subjects, headship and the Spirit of God. That is the enclosure, and what it encloses is the Lord's supper.

K.H. You referred to the Spirit of adoption. Why is it a spirit of adoption in Romans 8? Is it characteristic?

J.T. That is right. It is "a spirit of adoption". That is, it is characteristic.

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