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Robin and Eileen Garvie

To: Robin and Eileen Garvie
regarvieATimagen1.com.ar
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Fri, 9 Mar 2001

Dear Robin and Eileen,
Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren'. I remember the 'Garvie' name in Argentina from pre-1970 days, and would be very interested in your current situation and anything else you may care to share.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Robin and Eileen Garvie
Tue, 13 Mar 2001

Dear Brother Gordon,
We're adjoining a letter in which we tell you a bit about ourselves.

May the Lord Jesus bless you in your work for Him.

Your brethren in His love, Robin and Eileen.

Dear Brother Gordon,
Thank you for placing us in your Guest Book. You ask about us!

Well, Robin is nephew to Archie Garvie (with Christ, 1983) whom you may remember as he was often over to meetings. Eileen is daughter of Phillip Hellberg (with Christ, 1969).

• We’re in our early 60’s and have no children. We were kicked out 17 years ago and as no one had left here in 1970, we were very alone for many years.

• Now we have two young married nephews and their little families and one single nephew who also left the Jims, and we gather in much humility to seek the Lord’s presence, with a few neighbors also.

We are very interested in your correspondence with Max Weremchuk. We translated his book into Spanish,

• but afterwards we thought it was too long to read, and as you know, reading is becoming scarce among the younger ones (at least here) and it would be practical to make something much shorter in Spanish not so academical …

We have in Spanish “Handing on the Torch”, a selection of FER’s ministry (published by Stone Publishing Trust).

• This has been a real help in this Country because nothing is known about the real truth and conflicts of his ministry in Latin America …

We have been thinking lately of that word you mention as to Recovery and Maintenance of the Truth (AJG). We feel it is sectarian and selfish pride to use it.

• Before 1827 there have been thousands of men in each generation that have been faithful to the light given them by God’s word.

• And today it is finishing in relation to 1 and 2 Timothy, the individual responding to the light given. How many surprises we will get that day up there! What do you feel as to this?

We are 100% with what you say as to the very sad history of the brethren – lovely beginning but disaster at the end!

The work began here in 1890 by Italians who met JND in Milan. But the cruel separation as to divided households in the 1960’s was the beginning of hardness and cruelty.

• At this time many families were lost to the world because of not separating from children not ‘in fellowship’!

• But in 1970 we were perfectly deceived, living so far away we didn’t know what was really happening and we were not allowed to read anything against the system.

• But we are humbled that we allowed ourselves to be so deceived!

After leaving, being so isolated and alone, we felt the need of Christian fellowship and fell again and were deceived once more by the Watchman Nee-Witness Lee group.

• We also had some contact with the K.L.C’s (and still have brotherly contacts with several families here in BA) and also proved that “they were uncomfortable with us”!

• We went to England seeking help, but couldn’t get much as they seem to be all divided amongst themselves!

• So we decided to remember the Lord very simply and the Lord in His mercy added some more, especially the two households who left the Jims a few years ago …

We long to share true fellowship (with fear of the word!) with any one you may know faithful to Jesus Name.

• As you say, we would like to know you better and one day see you face to face in BA! You will be very welcome, as there is so much we could converse about.

I used to write to Noel Brien when we were young and he still lived in Ireland. If you can, please convey my love to him and assure him I still love him and pray for him …

We will pray for your work in bringing unity and love for the Lord and one another.

• Please forgive if we offend you in anything in this so long letter! And hope it won’t be the last one we exchange! We are your brethren still at the end of the earth, trying to be useful.

• If you want to know anything more of the history of the EB’s in this country just ask us.

Just another thing – we have recently done a new Hymn Book in Spanish with a selection of hymns from the one we used in the Jims and also of other Hymn Books, especially Gospel Hymns which we missed!

• Its not an official Hymn Book, but it serves us when we are together! If you know of anybody who would like a copy we could send one.

Well, will close. Looking forward to some news from you when you can.

Your brethren in His love, we salute you with Nahum 1:7!

"Jehovah is good, a stronghold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him."

Robin and Eileen.

To: Robin and Eileen Garvie
Fri, 16 Mar 2001

Dear Robin and Eileen,
Thanks for your full and interesting account as to yourselves and your experiences.

• I have posted a good portion of it in the 'Mailbox' and am sure other guests will be most interested. If you think anything I have posted would be best deleted, please let me know.

Thanks for your invitation to BA. It would be a joy to see you and those the Lord has given to meet with. Please greet them for us.

• Betty and I are now both 72 and beginning to feel our age. Besides, at the moment, our home is the only one available for the few souls here to meet.

• Besides Betty and me, there are just two brothers, and one sister and her two children.

• Although we have had several enticing invitations, we are unlikely to travel extensively, even in North America.

• Of course, it is the same distance from TO to BA either way, and you would be very welcome here if the Lord opens the way!

We feel with you in being so deceived in 1970, and in the disappointments after we left in attempting to find true fellowship, having made several blunders ourselves.

The correspondence with Max Weremchuk was interesting but has abruptly ceased as the result of attacks on 'My Brethren' by some of the KLC/Reunited group. See
Guests: My Stand 3: Opposers of 'My Brethren'.

• Although he is no longer connected with them, Max was apparently shocked into silence by their attacks.

I certainly agree that there were faithful persons in each generation – the overcomers – and that much, though not all, is today connected with individual responsibility.

• But I'm not sure to what your refer when you say, "We have been thinking lately of that word you mention as to Recovery and Maintenance of the Truth (AJG). We feel it is sectarian and selfish pride to use it". Would you clarify that for me please.

As to the history in Argentina, I have an account – with which you may be familiar – dated 1954 and 1960 by Axel Kyster.

• I am wondering about presenting some extracts from it on MB in the "History" group. What do you think?

I hope you will continue to explore MB and to watch for additions and, of course, continue to pray for me.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Robin and Eileen Garvie
Wed, 4 Apr 2001

Dear Gordon,
An answer, at last! Love from Robin and Eileen. By the way, if you want to see something much bigger than Niagara Falls, come and see the Iguazú Falls!! And then we'll sing together the Swedish hymn - "How great Thou art"!

Thursday, March 29, 2001:
Dear Brother Gordon,
Sorry to have been so long in answering your brotherly letters ….

As to the History written by Axel Kyster we don't remember ever reading it, but would be interested in seeing it.

You ask about the expression "Recovery & Maintenance of the Truth". We want to be simple about it.

• Having known brethren from Chile, Peru, Bolivia and Paraguay, we have been impressed with the work of God in them and the liberty of the Spirit.

• They can't read English (our pride in the past!) but they have the Lord Who is the Truth, and His Word in a living way in them. Who has done it?

• They sing hymns with their own music and dialect.

In 'Notes of Ministry', March 2001, edited by J.Strachan of Scotland we read 'the fathers handed on to us',

• but, what of the rights of God in this dispensation in handing things to persons we never heard about, His own rights in grace and sovereignty?

• And who are the 'us'? After all, where has our pretension of so many years ended? So many divisions, each claiming to keep the 'golden line'!

When we were in England in 1997 it was sad to see the brethren so divided, each little group following a different leader.

• We met a brother, Geoffrey Bacon, who gave us a book he wrote, "There is One Body" which was very comforting. Have you read it?

• Maybe you want to have contact with him as he also prints ministry. His address is: 4, Warwick Rd., Coulsdon, Surrey CR5 2EE.

• Another brother who helped us is Kenneth Rosdahl from Stockholm, (Box 2077, S-19402, Upplands-Väsby, Sweden).

• He has a very clear judgement of all that has happened in the last years and a very big heart for the brethren. He helps a lot those in Czechoslovakia. A brother there translated JND’s Bible into Czechoslovakian and also the hymnbook.

Please have patience with us, as we are so isolated here and sometimes get wrong impressions! Also often what is written doesn't really express the feelings!

• In spite of all we are still your brethren in Christ Jesus, our hope and comfort.

As to the hymns, we felt the same when making our new hymnbook in Spanish.

• JTSr's teachings as to the Service of God are something very special, and our exercise is, how can we share all those beautiful hymns with others that don't know them?

• But in all this, we feel we must always remember that the real worshipers are to worship "in Spirit and in truth".

• If we are humble and are able to enjoy this, let it be for His glory, and may we not fall into a line of criticism, calling what is of the Spirit mysticism.

We have to be on our guard today to stand against the attack that began with Kelly and Lowe, and still continues in bitterness, biting and devouring the brethren,

• trying especially to confound the young people, leading them to hate even the mention of any connection with FER and CAC and what the Lord gave them to minister.

• They judge as wrong things they have never read, going by small quotes, taken out of their context, and they don't take the trouble of verifying the truth of all this.

• Some years ago, in Germany, an old brother who was in the midst of all this told us, 'It was not a doctrinal issue, but a national and social attack'. May the Lord save from such feelings!

We want to say again, if anyone you know would like to come and visit us they will be very welcome. The few brethren in Rosario and Acebal need a lot of comfort and help.

• Let us all show the spirit of a little child so that we may enjoy more the kingdom of God.

If you have some new hymns to be used in the service of God please send us some.

• And the last request is, please, do pray for us, we do need it!

May He bless you and continue to use you in His service. With much love in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, our soon returning Lord to you and your wife!

Yours in His love, Robin and Eileen.

P.S. There are many vacancies for gospel preachers for the open air!

To: Robin and Eileen Garvie
Fri, 27 Apr 2001

Dear Robin & Eileen,
You suggest that "it is sectarian and selfish pride to use" … "the expression 'Recovery & Maintenance of the Truth'".

• I'm not sure whether you refer to the use I have made of it or as the title of AJG's book.

• I use it to refer to the character of what I believe was a divine movement, beginning in 1827 and continuing – not without failure – until 1953-59 at least.

• The 'recovery' although through men was by the sovereignty of God. The 'maintenance' for which men – including ourselves – are responsible has often wavered and sometimes failed.

• There is a very interesting address on MB which you may not have seen. Ministry: F. E. Raven: Responsibility as the Maintenance of the Truth is most challenging and well worth reading. It is in the sense that FER sets out that I use 'maintenance of the truth'.

I rejoice with you in what you have found of "the work of God ... and the liberty of the Spirit" in brethren in other parts of South America.

• Whether they can read English or not has no bearing on the work of God as such.

• That they have no connection with our historical background is no hindrance to God working in and through them.

• Our Lord settled that in Luke 9: 49-50. But while He said "Forbid him not", He did not direct John and the others to join with him.

• As bondmen, we have no right to question the sovereignty of God but we certainly do have the responsibility to walk according to the light we have received.

The "many divisions, each claiming to keep the 'golden line'" are humbling indeed but do not negate the great truths which have come out in earlier ministry.

• My thoughts on this are in Studies: Our Responsibility in the Present State of the Church.

I'm not familiar with J. Strachan or the context of his remarks. I thought I had Geoffrey Bacon's book some years ago but can't put my hand on it. I have only heard of Kenneth Rosdahl in passing.

Your situation of relative isolation is quite understood and I do feel with you. The interchange with others is very important to our understanding.

• "Iron is sharpened by iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend", Proverbs 27: 17.

• I have no doubt that you are still my brethren and trust we can continue brotherly contacts.

Your appreciation of JT's ministry as to the service of God is shared. While there are many needs and services manward – and I seek to do what I can  

• I am convinced that our highest service is the worship of God, which already begun here will fill eternity. The few here are committed to that.

Yes, I am well aware of the the attacks of certain brethren on various truths and servants.

• You can see how 'My Brethren' has had to face such attacks in several items on Guests: My Stand 3.

Thanks for the renewed invitation. Perhaps some other guests will notice and contact you.

Regarding hymns: I have a Hymn Concordance search program (in DOS, and written by another brother several years ago).

• It includes the complete text of the Kingston Bible Trust 1973 book for hymns 1-502, plus our own supplement of hymns 503-549. The text of all hymns plus a list of numbers with authors are in 10 ascii files.

• The program allows searches by words, phrases, authors, meters, whole hymns. If this is of interest I will be glad to email to you. Just let me know.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Robin and Eilen Garvie
Sat, 5 May 2001

Dear Brother Gordon,
Thank you for your letter … we have the same thinking, may be in different words, so let us go forward together, retaining what is right and drink of what the Spirit is saying today for our generation.

• We can't live of the past because God has eternity before Him, and we have to enjoy what it is to have the Lord in our midst and His authority in Headship in His assembly …

There are many in this country that are dead towards the Lord and His testimony, produced by the System over the years.

• Do pray for us that we may be of a little help and if you know of a brother who can help, please, ask him to take the first plane and we will be waiting for him in the BA Airport!

• They are dying! The wounds received produced a complete spiritual death to them and their children. We feel responsible for this and can't avoid it.

• This includes all the groups of "brethrenism" today, because that little word "autonomy" which some use opens the way to do what we think is right before our own eyes and that is totally wrong.

• Let us experience God's wonderful salvation and have fellowship with the Holy Spirit today to hear His voice in each of our pathways, you up there and we down here, but one according to Ephesians 4.

• Go on, brother, go forward showing Jesus' life and when you see Him He will see something of Himself in you, and not "we" and "them"!

As to what Axel Kyster wrote, there are parts which are interesting, without so much personal information! Of course, things have changed quite a bit now, as the meetings in Cordoba, Tafi Viejo and Montevideo have closed down. Also in BA and Rosario all the brethren moved to a suburb near the international airport and live close to one another.

… How the Lord Jesus must feel it, seeing those who really love Him and want to be faithful to Him so ready to have nothing to do with one another,

• just because of things that have been passed down to us for generations, and in many cases, not the truth at all!

We love you and value what you do, we all say Good-bye with 1 Corinthians 6: 11.

Yours in His love, Robin and Eileen

To: Robin and Eileen Garvie
Tue, 08 May 2001

Dear Robin and Eileen,
Thank you for your email of May 5 …

There is no doubt that because some "thought we were the only processors of the truth",

• 'spiritual' pride developed among the brethren even in the very early years as witnessed in some of MB's "History" group.

• This is at the root of 'brethrenism'. All the leading teachers spoke against this.

… Like yourselves I desire only to walk pleasing to our Lord and in accord with the Scriptures and the opening up of the truth which I believe we all value …

I sympathize with the needs of the many in your country who have and are suffering from the legal system and trust that you will be at the Lord's disposal to help them.

You are in our prayers.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Robin and Eileen Garvie
Fri, 21 Dec 2001

Dear Robin and Eileen,
The news of the situation in Argentina is distressing. You are in our prayers for preservation and blessing.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon and Betty.

From: Robin and Eileen Garvie
Tue, 25 Dec 2001

Dear Gordon and Betty, Dear Brethren, Thank you for your love and prayers.

• We've been through a terrible week, with fear and uncertainty, but all the time we felt the Lord's protection over us.

• We still don't know what will happen as the country is in such a mess that its a tremendous job to get it functioning again.

• And there is such a low state among thousands, with no education and a very small outlook, that has produced a feeling of resentment against anybody who has something, not realising the work and years of sacrifice it probably has involved for them to have it.

• Also there is so much greed and corruption in those in the governmental areas and the very big enterprises that you can't trust anyone!

• We've been limited in the amount of money we can draw out of our Bank accounts, so that many clients can't pay what they owe us because their money is really confiscated.

Our Father in heaven knows what we need, but its a test to go on day by day, with little work and less pay for what you do.

• In Philippians 4 Paul speaks of having learnt to accept his circumstances, and that is what we are proving now. Its something we must learn, and also in it prove the love of God.

• Do continue to pray for us, that the enemy may not get us down under the pressure, but that in all things we may be more than conquerors for His glory.

May our Lord Jesus bless you and help you in the coming year, until He come! Yours in His love, Robin and Eileen.

"Behold, I am with you all the days", Jesus says this, the Man that's so different to any other!

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Ralph Gentles

To: Ralph Gentles
rgentlesATsanmap.com
New York, NY, USA
Fri, 21 Apr 2000

Dear Ralph,
Thanks for visiting MB. I'm glad you "found it interesting and informative" – and that you are interested in GRC's ministry.

Sadly, Mr. Cowell's valuable ministry has been out of print for many years.

• However, at November 1999 Kingston Bible Trust had a few of several volumes in stock which they would "be very glad to send them out free of charge".

• See Guests: Site News: KBT Report for details and also for Malcolm Withell's email address to request these volumes.

At the same time KBT indicated that it would be reprinting some of GRC's ministry – but not for some time.

• When, and if, this occurs I will post a notice in "The KBT Report".

Thanks again for visiting – come again.

With love in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

Sun, 23 Apr 2000: Ralph and I had an enjoyable phone chat about our common spiritual heritage.

From: Ralph Gentles,
Fri, 20 Sep 2006

Dear Gordon and Betty,
I must apologize for not keeping in touch with both of you but you are always in my prayers and in my thoughts.

Thanks for the e-mail regarding Mr. J. S. Ephgrave's ministry. I am on vacation in Ireland and in the UK and I took with me the book you have mentioned and the one he has on The Blood. I have enjoyed reading these books and I am hoping to read these books again, if I can get the chance to do so.

I trust that you and Betty are keeping well through mercy. If you are in contact with Walter please let him know that I staying with Eliza his sister and I have been to see Margaret. Eliza is fine and in spite of Margaret's condition she was very bright in spirit.

I will get in touch with you when I get back to the USA the first week of October. You could always contact me through e-mail until I get back.

Much love to you both in our Lord Jesus, Ralph V. Gentles.

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Les George

From: Les George
les.george2ATntlworld.com
Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England
Sat, Jan 1 2005

Dear Jeff Kuns,
I am at present on the last few days of my Christmas holidays from work, and am having a sort-out of all the papers, bills etc that accumulate all too easily over the course of time.

• I have just come across a full-page insertion by Deryk Noakes of Port Elizabeth, in the UK's "Daily Mail" newspaper dated Tuesday, April 14, 1992, headed as URGENT ANNOUNCEMENT

• and concerning the fact that Jesus will soon take the believers out of this world.

Yours sincerely, Les George.

Dear Les,
Thank you for writing. If you still have it handy, we would be grateful if you would send a copy of the newspaper "annoucement" as it is of some historical interest to us.

• I would like to say, however, that I am not at all in agreement with sensationalizing the teaching of Scripture through newspaper advertising, books or movies.

I'm sorry but we cannot give you any information regarding Mr. Noakes' health as we are not connected with him nor do we know of anyone he may be linked with now.

• The best we can piece together is that he is probably in his 80's, if still in the body,

• and the last known contact was back in the early 1970's where it is thought that he may have become radical in his views and perhaps even broke away from the "main line" at the time which was, in our judgment, also quite extreme.

• I realize his name appears in a scripture reading we have posted on MB, but this is from 1958 and there are many such brethren who are unknown to us personally.

• If you happened to know him, any details you can furnish us would be interesting.

As to your rapture question, I do not speak representatively for any brethren of any persuasion

• but I am not aware of anything in the Scripture which would suggest there will be any signs preceding the rapture.

• In 1 Thessalonians 4 the rapture is brought in sort of peripherally to expand on the explanation of something else, so I'm not even inclined to think that it is a main point – not that we let it go,

• but it seems that the Lord's appearing has become less 'popular' than the rapture
  • and I would judge His coming to take up his rights on the earth publicly ought to mean much more to us than what most people seem to think of as a mere evacuation from earthly hardship.

  • Such see only their own relief and fail to have the Lord's interests in mind.
• As I understand it, the rapture is more for Him -- bringing joy to Him, and glory to God, when at long last he brings His bride, spotless, to Himself.

Paul says of the day of the Lord,

• "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night." 1 Thessalonians 5: 1-2
• that is not exactly the rapture there but I would hesitate to venture far from that word.
  • "But let us watch and be sober", verse 6.

You might find the article Doctrine: The Lord's Coming of interest. I'd be interested to hear more about your background if you have the opportunity to write again.

Yours in the Lord Jesus, Jeff Kuns.

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Peter Gerald

To: Peter Gerald
wr999ATaol.com
Cornwall, UK
Tue, Dec 5, 2000

This message appeared on another site: I am an ex EB from 1960 and have travelled around the world primarily to run from my experiences as young person who could not and did not want to cope with the controls of the Exclusive Brethren. I was in the EB's in the Cardiff and Whitchurch areas of South Wales (UK) and I am trying to fill in some gaps in my life there. This will no doubt take time but I would like to know if anyone on this web site is able and willing to contact me and see if they can help. I am balanced in my views and want to assess my early years with some objectivity so if anyone can help please e mail me. Many thanks, Peter Gerald.

To: Peter Gerald
Wed, 06 Dec 2000

Dear Peter,
Regarding your message, My wife and I have been through some difficult times and experiences too – though doubtless somewhat different from yours.

• But we have come through and for some years have been settled in our souls.

• We're not interested in merely pushing our views but would sincerely be glad to correspond and be of what service we can to one of our, and His, brethren.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Peter Gerald
Thu, 7 Dec 2000

Dear Gordon,
Thank you for responding to my entry in the Guestbook. I am trying to piece together any objective information on some of the attitudes and rules and other issues which the Exclusive Brethren were guided by in the period around 1950's and 1960's.

I went through a rather unique experience – well so I am told. In the late 1940's I was taken into care by Social Services in the South Wales area (at that time Glamorgan County Council).

• I spent some time in a care home and was then fostered out to a famiily in Whitchurch (in the Cardiff area). This family were Exclusive Brethren and used to meet in a hall near Whitchurch and Cardiff and for long weekends in Bristol.

• I left them when I became old enough to survive having run away several times at the age of eleven and eventually lived in what we would probably know as a squat in Cardiff dock area at the age of 14.

• Social Services were not too interested in people in those days (post war broken families – high levels of physical poverty etc).

• I never returned to my foster family (The Exclusive Brethren).

Since my experiences as a young person, some of which were horrendous, I have managed to my life along a relatively safe and straight path

• – becoming married, raising a family and becoming a standard national statistic of the average person
  • – on the way losing any bitterness I did indeed hold against the EB's.

So as that now 60 year old (young 60) I am trying to fill some gaps, as stated objectively in my past.

• What is ironic is that I have met through a local contact a family who are EB's and they have through general nosey conversation found I am an ex EB and this has caused an interesting interface.

• They refer to me as being evil – times have not changed.

There is a potted history and I would be pleased to contact through emails and take up your kind offer,

• remembering this is an objective and factual quest and one not based on any form of bitterness.

Many thanks for kind comments. Move in peace and always remember love and care are not commodities which are to be invoiced.

Peter Gerald.

To: Peter Gerald
Sat, 09 Dec 2000

Dear Peter,
Thank you for sharing your "rather unique experience" – which it surely is.

It might take a book to provide "objective information on some of the attitudes and rules and other issues", and it is difficult to know where or how to begin.

• I'm wondering whether you might indicate some specific matters that you recall from your youthful experiences. I could then attempt some comments.

You don't indicate whether you consider yourself to be a Christian and, if so, in what sense.

• This is not to suggest that if you said you were not a Christian that I would not continue.

• But it would help me to present any comments I may be able to make in a way that would be – I hope – more useful and intelligible to you.

• This may not seem much of a start, but I am feeling my way as I believe you also are.

If you visit the 'My Brethren' web site and check the Special Message on the 'Home Page' and the Personal group you will get a feel for where I am coming from.

• Specifically, I believe that the earlier ministry and practice of the so-called EB's was based on Scripture but that in later years there was – by the majority, but certainly not all – a departure and the emergence of a legal system totally inconsistent with earlier ministry and practice.
  • My wife and I are committed to that earlier ministry and practice.

I'll look forward to hearing from you. Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Peter Gerald
Sun, 10 Dec 2000

Dear Gordon,
Thank you for your response to my enquiry. I am familiar with your web page and I find it particularly helpful and fruitful.

I move with the winds and clouds of freedom from any particular belief system (as I refer to them) which have been made by man primarily to satisfy man's needs.

• I ran from the hypocrisy and words like unclean, excluded, persecuted and evil – all words used so easily by the Exclusive Brethren from a very selfish isolated and arrogant stand point they have (certainly the ones I have met).

• These words have been believed and taken into their hearts and minds by those who were in and are now out and they have been deeply hurt.

• This is the my main driving force. Jesus is not so cruel, He is not exclusive, He encourages sinners to come to him, He does not exclude but went out of his way to be inclusive.

• This is Jesus and if you follow and represent his views they at least ought to follow his principles.

• So I am a believer but still one that moves with the winds and the clouds and when I want to talk to Jesus I do so on my own and He is welcoming.

To the work I am doing – I was placed in care in the late 1940's in the UK (Cardiff South Wales) having been taken away from my parents who were jailed for cruelty, common after the 2nd World War.

• I was then fostered by Social Services to an Exclusive Brethren family who I have traced but will not con-verse with me as being unclean (I left when I was 20).

I am attempting to objectively assess some of the power structures and rules the EB's held in that period and what they hold today. I am also assessing the following:

• Can anyone become a member?

• What role do women play in the modern day EB's?

• Do they still believe in corporal punishment as they used do and as such practice it by physically thrashing and belting their children as a form of punishment?

• Can black people become members? This is par-Toticularly important in multi cultural societies like UK.

• What are their views and rules on gays and lesbians as members of the EB's?

• What are their rules and views on arranged marriages to keep the bond of being exclusive?

• What are their views on contact with people on the outside: neighbours, other church people, children at school with their children, and other simple matters like talking to outsiders?

As you can see my questions range and if you feel you cannot, unable to or simply do not want to answer objectively, I will fully understand and I thank you for responding in the first place.

Thank you and walk in care, Peter Gerald.

To: Peter Gerald
Tue, 26 Dec 2000

Dear Peter,
At last, I address your questions. To avoid misunderstand-ings I would like to state the basis of my remarks.

For my reply see My Answer 2: An Assessment.

I have tried to reply objectively and conscientiously before my God and trust this will be of some value to you in your quest. And I will look forward to hearing of your progress.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Peter Gerald
Tue, 26 Dec 2000

Dear Gordon,
I have received your e mail and I have, on initial reading of it, [found it] very objective and some very full and enlightened answers. Thank you for your time and kindness.

I need time to ask follow-up questions and guidance and I hope you do not mind me asking.

I hope you have a peace time ahead and walk in peace and with care.

Regards, Peter.

From: Peter Gerald
Tue, 26 Dec 2000

Dear Gordon,
As an immediate follow up. From my experience from my initial days and in the present time the Exclusive Brethren seem to want to make use of 2 rather harsh words.

1. The first is 'evil'. This word is used by the EB in the context of those outside the EB's are evil and to follow this up the EB's seem to start from the point that they are always right and outsiders are not.

2. The other word is 'persecute'. I can understand the view that we as people persecuted Jesus, but the word is used by the EB's against those who challenge their view, or have a contrary view.

Can you let me have your views on this.

I ask these questions as I am in rather a strange position. I was in the brethren from a very young age and was removed as I was fostered into them,

• and at the age of 18 was called to military service and refused to become an objector.

• Since moving around I have come in close contact with the exclusive brethren and I see the comparisons over the decades.

• Your help is invaluable.

Regards, walk in peace and with care. Peter.

To: Peter Gerald
Thu, 28 Dec 2000

Dear Peter,
Thank you for your kind remarks. I'm glad to have been of some help.

Regarding your further questions …

My reply is appended to My Answer 2: An Assessment.

I trust that I have responded to all your concerns, and will be interested to hear what you finally come to in assessing your early history.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

To: Peter Gerald
wr999ATaol.com
South Wales and West Country, UK
Tue, 6 Nov 2001

Dear Peter,
I'm glad to hear from you again. Your email is now posted in the Guest Book and I trust will bring some response.

As to "which 'leader' ran the organisation then", there was no such concept or practice in the the years you mention – 1946 and 1958.

• But, as I pointed out in my email to you of Fec. 26, 2000 – see Guests: My Answer 2: An Assessement:

• "After JTSr's departure to be with Christ in 1953, there was an unprecedented, relentless and extended struggle for preeminence in leadership and teaching.

• "The outcome was the undisputed dominance in 1959 of JTJr. The harsh legal line he subtly introduced brought great public reproach and incalculable suffering to the saints".

In the Lord, Gordon.

From: Peter Gerald
Tue, 6 Nov 2001

Dear Gordon,
Many thanks for you speedy response. I take the reminder with a kind smile and I have to confess all my emails etc. were lost when my PC passed on.

• I will contact you again and very many congratulations on the developing web site.

Walk in peace, Peter Gerald.

To: Peter Gerald
Wed, 7 Nov 2001

Dear Peter,
I know the pain and frustration of losing a PC and email. If you desire, you can copy all our previous correspondence from MB. I look forward to hearing from you again as circumstances warrant.

In our Lord, Gordon.

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Iain Gibb

From: Iain Gibb
Iain.GibbATcampbell-lee.co.uk
Grangemouth, Scotland
Fri, 20 Oct 2000

Dear Gordon,
I was browsing the net and came across your website. I notice under the brief biography of AJGardiner, you list a number of his books and state you have some of them but not all. I have got the following:

• Christianity a System of Glory (1948)
• Christianity as Characterised by Mystery (1947)
• The Substantiality of Christianity (1954)
• The Worship of God (1953)
• Recovery and Maintenance of the Truth - version 1
• Recovery and Maintenance of the Truth - version 2

I do not know whether or not you are trying to build up a more complete library of old ministry, but it is very unlikely I will be reading any of these books, and would be willing to send my copies on to you (though I will probably wish to keep Recovery and Maintenance of the Truth - version 2). If you are interested, please let me know.

I have in total over 500 Exclusive Books – when I left in 1975, I decided not to do the Exclusive thing and burn the books I didn't agree with, but they are all now gathering dust in my study, and it would be better if someone could make use of them.

• Apart from the usual JND/JBS/FER/JT/CAC/JTJr/JHS books, I have a number of 'old books' with ministry by such people as PLyon, JGBellett, CHM, MWBiggs, Russell Besley, RDunn, AMHayward, FSMarsh, PRMorford, HFNunnerley, and compilations such as Mutual Comfort (1911, 1915, 1924), The Believer's Friend, Words of Grace and Comfort, etc.

• I have them catalogued in a spreadsheet which I could send if you are interested in any of this stuff, and you could let me know which books you would like to have.

With love in Christ, Iain Gibb.

To: Iain Gibb
Sat, 21 Oct 2000

Dear Iain,
Thanks for visiting MB, and for your kind offer of ministry books. Yes, I am interested, especially in AJG and the 'old books' and magazines and would appreciate seeing your list.

• My special interest, besides my own help, is to be able to present ministry on MB from a wide range of reliable brothers of the past, before the advent of the legal system. The 'old books' you mention would greatly aid in this work.

• As to the main series, I have all JND / JBS / FER / JT / CAC, most of JTJr (I did not burn his either, keeping them for possible historical reference) and none of JHS.
  • But I have several contacts through MB who would be interested in some up to CAC. It will take a little time to check out, of course.

• Any books for which I cannot find a home would be welcome in the Christian Brethren Archive of the University Library of Manchester with whom I have contact. I can check this out for you later if you wish.

• Of course all recipients would, I am sure, be happy to cover the shipping costs. My only concern would be whether you might later regret parting with the books, although after 25 years you have doubtless considered this well.

This morning, on our regular weekly visit to Bethany Lodge – a senior citizen's home – we were speaking with Roy Devenish (84) and mentioned your email.

• We both recall a Robert Gibb of Falkirk ("merged" with Grangemouth?). Are you related?

• Also, Roy believes his cousin Daphne (now with Christ, and a daughter of John Devenish) was married to an Iain Gibb. Possibly, yourself?

• Roy is very interested to know anything you can tell us (he is not on the internet).

Also, anything you are free to share re your withdrawal and subsequent experiences would be of interest to us and other guests – or privately if you wish and so indicate.

• If you have not already found it, there is some information as to me and my exercises in the "Personal" group of MB and in "a special message" to my brethren accessible from the Home Page.

Thanks again, Iain, and I look forward to hearing from you.

With love in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Jackie Gilchrist

To: Jackie Gilchrist
cocopops2002ATbigpond.com
Boronia Heights, Queensland, Australia
Wed, 24 Jul 2002

Dear Jackie,
I'm sorry that I don't have any information on your ancestor, Henry George Denne. But your inquiry will be posted in MB's current Guest Book and may, hopefully, draw a response. Please let me know of any results.

In the meantime you will learn something of his background in the early 'History' items on 'My Brethren'.

In the Lord, Gordon.

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Andrew & Yvonne Gisbourne

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Ron Gleed

To: Ron Gleed
suntrapmanATntlworld.com
Felixstowe the suntrap of the East Coast, UK
Wed Jun 07 2000

Dear Ron,
I'm glad you enjoyed some of the Poetry on MB, and hope you will return from time to time.

I realize it would be a real comfort for the dear elderly saint of whom you speak to have the whole hymn.

• Perhaps some guest will be able to help you in the search for the hymn. I'm afraid I don't recognize it.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Ron Gleed
Fri, 9 Jun 2000

Dear Brother Gordon,
Thank you for the welcome! I have found the site so profitable that I have made it my web startup.

Please could you or anyone answer the following question:

• What is the meaning of the phrase "the ruin of the church"?
• Where is this teaching from?
• Is it relevant today in brethren type assemblies?

Yours in the Lord, Ron Gleed.

To: Ron Gleed
Fri, 09 Jun 2000

Dear Ron,

Thanks for your kind comments as to MB. I trust you will continue to find it profitable.

• You will undoubtedly find some things that are different from what you have been taught. If so, please be patient, search the Scriptures, and ask about them.

• You have made a good start on that already and I will try to answer your questions as briefly as possible …

Ron, as you have raised questions important for all to consider, I will post my reply in My Answer 1: The Ruin of the Church where it may be more easily come under the notice of other guests.

I trust the above will stimulate a searching of the Scriptures.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Ron Gleed
Subject: Ruin of the Church
Fri, 09 Jun 2000

Dear Gordon,
Thank you for the reply. I await with real interest a posting later with further comments on the matter.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Ron Gleed.

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Roger Good

To: Roger Good
RogerATlsm.org
Location: Unknown at this time
Wed, 01 Sep 1999

Re a quotation on EBIX:

"I happened to come across a mention of 'The Recovery and Maintenance of the Truth' by A. J. Gardiner in one of the sections of your" i.e., Dick Wyman's "site on the Exclusive Brethren (it must have taken a lot of time to put it all together).

• "Do you know how I could get a copy of this book? Thanks for your help."

A.J.G.'s book was published – in a 1st and 2nd edition – by the now dissolved "Stow Hill Bible and Tract Depot", and is not generally available.

• In 1997 "Kingston Bible Trust", one of Stow Hill's successors, published "A Further Review of Recovery to the Truth and its Maintenance (1827-1997)".
  • See a review in Site News: The KBT Report.

• It contains some early material which was not in A.J.G.'s book. This material is available in History: Early Years.

• Unfortunately many of the explanatory letters which A.J.G. included were left out of the KBT book, although references to some of them are given.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Roger Good
Fri, 1 Oct 1999

Roger's e-mail address indicates that he is connected with 'The Living Stream Ministry' which publishes the works of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee.

Dear Brother Gordon,
Thank you for your e-mail giving me information about A. J. Gardiner's book.

• I have found your site helpful and informative.

I am trying to find out where the Stow Hill Bible and Tract Depot was located before it moved to Kingston-upon-
Thames (i.e., in the 1930's).

• I believe it was in the Paternoster district of London. Would you happen to know what the address was? (perhaps it is printed in an early publication of the Stow Hill Bible and Tract Depot?).

Also, do you happen to know if the 57 Park Street meeting hall in Islington was located on what is now Islington Park Road?

Thank you again for your help.

The Lord bless you. Roger Good.

To: Roger Good
Fri, 01 Oct 1999

Dear Roger, Thank you for your reply and for visiting MB.

Stow Hill was in the Paternoster District but I cannot locate the address. I will try to find it for you and also as to Islington Park Road.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

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Judy Goodzeit

To: Judy Senter Goodzeit
jmom52ATyahoo.com
Memphis, TN, USA
Mon, 28 Aug 2000

Dear Judy,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. I'm not surprised that you find that CAC's ministry speaks to you in a special way. It has to me also.

• If you have not already you should check on this site, Biography: C. A. Coates and Ministry: C. A. Coates.

All the books of CAC – 35 or so – are published by Kingston Bible Trust in England. See Site News: Bibles and Books: KBT and the manager, Malcolm Withell, can be contacted by email at mwithellATcix.co.uk. You will find Malcolm to be very helpful.

• CAC's books are also available from Dover Bible Fund, 145 Big Rock Drive, Dover, PA 17315 (no email address). You can write for a price list.

• And please mention the 'My Brethren' site to whoever you contact. Thanks.

I hope you will visit MB again. You will find ministry by other servants that should be helpful to you.

If you care to share your experiences and exercise, I am sure other guests would be interested. I certainly am.

Yours in our Lord, Gordon.

From: Judy Senter Goodzeit
Wed, 13 Sep 2000

I've been in prayer about how to describe my spiritual experience in a way that best glorifies my Lord.

• As yet I have had little freedom to share the deep truths He has shown me outside of my own home and family, being encumbered that before my head is "covered," much of what I might say will be ineffectual.

• As He leads, I will follow, however, so you will hear from me at that moment so prescribed by His precious will.

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Richard K. Gorgas

To: Richard K. Gorgas
singingpilgrmATaol.com
Chatham, NJ, USA
Mon, 27 Aug 2001

Dear Richard,
Thanks for responding to the inquiry from Alan Raine. I'm happy to have been of help in re-establishing contact for you both, and am always glad to serve 'My Brethren' in any way possible. Thanks too for clarifying your history and telling us of your service.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

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John Gossett is on a separate page. Access from menu.

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Allan Gould

To: Allan Gould
allanATtacocare.swinternet.co.uk
Birmingham, England
Tue, 21 Jan, 2003

Dear Allan,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. I trust you may receive a reply to your request re a large print 'Gospel Hymns'. I'm not familiar with this hymn book. Have you tried the publisher?

I hope you will visit again and explore the wide range of ministry on MB.

In our Lord, Gordon.

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Stephen and Maria Gracey

To: Stephen and Maria Gracey
marstep40ATatt.net
Lavalette, West Virginia, USA
Mon, 11 Oct 1999

Dear Stephen,
Glad to see your name after so many years – and your encouraging message.

My wife Betty just checked our first guest book and found your name – along with John Bastedo – on July 27, 1952!

• We remember your parents and David and Elizabeth. We stayed with Elizabeth and Stewart once in the 1960's.

John Steen of Tillsonburg – Betty's uncle – liked to tell of your father – RDG – visiting on business when John was a young man here in Toronto.

• The brethren weren't having a reading yet on the Lord's Day afternoon, but many of the younger brethren came together for one to which your father was invited.

• When asked afterwards how it went, he said, "It was like two calves sucking each others' ears, a lot of enjoyment but not much nourishment".

We would be glad to hear from you. Perhaps you might visit our "My Brethren" site, and sign our new Guest Book.

• You will find some personal details about us and some interesting correspondence.

With love in the Lord Jesus to you both,

Gordon and Betty.

From: Stephen Gracey
Fri, 15 Oct 1999

Gordon and Betty,
Greetings and love in our Lord Jesus. Just to say Hi tonight, but hope to keep in touch.

John and Gwen did honor us with a visit a couple of years ago; we do keep in touch. Also Arnold Cherry and others.

Stephen and Maria Gracey.

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Christine Cooling-Graham
chrison2ATozemail.com.au
Bli Bli, Queensland, Australia
Sat, 17 May, 2003

Dear Christine,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. I hope yout message will reach some of your old friends. In the meantime you will find much edifying ministry on MB.

In the Lord, Gordon.

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Tim Grass

To: Tim Grass
grass.familyATTesco.net
Horsham, West Sussex, England
Mon, 18 Feb 2002

Dear Tim,

Welcome to 'My Brethren'. I trust you found something of interest and will visit again.

Many guests are free to share their background etc. in our 'Mailbox'. I hope you will too.

In our Lord, Gordon.

From: Tim Grass
Tue, 19 Feb 2002

Dear Gordon,
Thanks for your e-mail. I will be visiting again, I'm sure, as I've been asked by a publisher to write a history of the Brethren movement in the UK. I'm now getting into the thick of the necessary research.

• Although the focus will be chiefly on OBs, the comings and goings between them and various EB streams will necessitate some measure of coverage of the EBs.

Apart from that, I spent 13 years as a Baptist pastor, and now work from home writing, editing, and lecturing – mostly the Reformation period, although my PhD dealt with ecclesiology in the Brethren and the Catholic Apostolic Church.

More relevant to this site, my wife spent several years tutoring some families from the Jims, and we also had a number of 'out' friends.

In Christ, Tim Grass.

To: Tim Grass
Wed, 20 Feb 2002

Dear Tim,
Thanks for your interesting reply. It sounds like you are kept busy. I hope MB will be of some help in your project. If you use anything major a source credit somewhere would be appreciated.

• John Barber, one of MB's guests, has written an article 'Who are the Brethren?' on the 'open' connection which you might like to check. It's accessible from 'Site News: Links'.

Your contacts with the 'Jims' children and the 'outs' are of interest, especially the latter.

• I have great sympathy and respect for those who acted on their conscience in the 1960's. You may have noticed that it is proposed to add as much as possible of Mr. G. R. Cowell's ministry.

Thanks again and don't hesitate to write again as opportunity is afforded, especially if there are any questions as to 'facts' stated.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Tim Grass
Fri, 28 Feb 2002

Dear friends,
In an attempt to keep one or two steps ahead of the spammers, we are changing our e-mail address with immediate effect to grass.familyATTesco.net.

• We should be grateful if you would amend your records, and resend any messages you may have sent today. If this does not work, we may change again, but will try to give you advance notice.

Many thanks, Tim and Ann Grass.

To: Tim Grass
Mon, 3 Mar 2003

Dear Tim,
Thanks for your new email address. I share your distaste for spam but, sadly, it seems unavoidable.

It's been a year since we were in contact and I'm wondering how your work on wrting "a history of the Brethren movement in the UK" is progressing.

In our Lord, Gordon.

From: Tim Grass
Thu, 3 Jul 2003

Dear Gordon,
I'm wondering if you can help me … Well – quite a list of questions.

[See my reply below for the questions.]

Sorry to trouble you, and many thanks in advance for your help.

Tim Grass.

To: Tim Grass
Wed, 9 Jul 2003

Dear Tim,
I'll answer your questions to the best of my limited knowledge but am not sure what value it will be to you.

1. Are any of the successive groups of 'out' Brethren in fellowship with each other? – Not at all likely.

2. Are any steps being taken to seek reconciliation between any two or more such groups? (like those which led to the K-L-G reconciliation some years back) – Unknown – this would be very unlikely.

3. How do such meetings maintain contact with one another? – If you mean group contacts I doubt there are any. Other contacts would be through earlier personal or family connections.

4. Would it be fair to say that each group accepts all the doctrine of the Taylorites up to the point at which it left? I get the impression that some would question some of what had been taught before they left, as well as what was taught after they left.

– Not sure, but all would refuse points on which they left and most likely some earlier points – definitely would refuse subsequent teaching.

5. What now differentiates these groups from one another doctrinally? – Hard to say, most likely as in #4 plus administrative points.

6. How similar are they in their practice –' in meetings, baptism, breaking of bread etc.? – Probably very similar if not identical.

7. We have an 'out' meeting near here which has contact with local OBs. How typical would that be? – It would be atypical.

8. Also, at least some 'outs' ended up among OBs; I know of some at any rate. Now, what I'm wondering is what they took with them, and how that might have affected the OBs.

– I doubt that any who joined the 'open' meetings would have had much effect and would more likely have been themselves affected by the "open' outlook, ecclesiatically and doctrinally.

It would be more accurate to speak of an 'in' phenomenon, that so many would remain in what had become a legal sect in 1959 and continues as such to this day.

As far as I know the term 'out' was only use to refer to those who withdrew in 1959 or ealy 1960's and has not been used by, or of, those who left in 1970 over Aberdeen.

The reaction to your project by some would likely be based on remarks of FER as to Neatby's history.

• "I have seen the book of Neatby to which you refer, and it produced on my mind the same impression as it has done on yours, it is the work of an Edomite, not a trace of sorrow for the breakdown of that which was fair", Letters 187.

• The Edomites were the closest relations to Israel but the most bitter: "... he pursued his brother with the sword, and cast off all pity; and his anger did tear continually, and he kept his wrath for ever", Amos 1: 11.

You find might pages 131-46 of the KBT book 'A Further Review of Recovery to the Truth and Its Maintenance (1827-1997)' of interest in connection with some of your questions. The book was written by Brian W. Burton, a KBT trustee.

I hope this is of some help.

In the Lord, Gordon.

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Mark Gray

From: Mark Gray
megamanATviafamily.com
Location: Unknown
Fri, 22 Jun 2001

The following message appeared on another site: I have recently discovered Brethren Teaching. This has been like finding buried treasure. I would rather have this than any amount of money. Darby, Mackintosh, Kelly, Stoney, Bellett and others have taught me so much. In Christ, Mark A. Gray.

To: Mark Gray
Sat, 23 Jun 2001

Dear Mark,
I saw your message on Steve Hesterman's site. You will find some more "treasure" on the 'My Brethren' site. I hope you will pay a visit.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Mark Gray
Mon, 25 Jun 2001

Gordon,
Thanks for helping me find more treasure. I wish I would have found this when I was a youth. Being in my 40's, still gives me time to grow!

In Christ's Service, Mark A. Gray.

To: Mark Gray
Tue, 26, Jun 2001

Dear Mark,
Glad to be of help. Could you let me know your locality for the Mailbox record? Also, don't hesitate to share your background and exercises in the Mailbox with other guests of MB.

In the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Joanna Greeves

To: Name: Joanna Greeves
jgATjgreeves.freeserve.co.uk
Belfast, Northern Ireland
Tue, 27 Apr 1999

Dear Joanna,
Your name will be in our Guest Book in a few days. I hope it will bring you some news. If I can be of any other help, just let me know.

You are the first guest from Ireland! Please come back again and let any brethren who are free know about My Brethren.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon Rainbow.

To: Joanna Greeves
Thu, 16 Nov 2000

Dear Joanna, I sent the following to Dick Wyman re an entry on his site from a Mark Pons who is still 'in':

"Hi Dick, There is a mention of a Pons family in the April 1999 entry of Joanna Greeves in the MB Guest Book No. 1. Might be worth checking".

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Joanna Greeves
Fri, 17 Nov 2000

Dear Gordon,
Thank you very much for your email. Mark Pons is my cousin whom I have never met as he was born after 1970. As far as we know he can only be about 18 and will need our prayers especially because of his age in his situation.

• I am hoping he will make contact and have emailed Dick with our family's adddresses and phone numbers and also left details in Dick's guest book.

With love in Him, Joanna.

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Rodney Griffin

To: Rodney Griffin
rodandlyndiATearthlink.net
Brentwood, California, USA
Fri, 4 Jan 2002

Dear Rodney,
Welcome to 'My brethren' and many thanks for sharing your family connection with Arthur G. Brown. I had some correspondence with him in 1973 and appreciated both the personal contact and the historical information he furnished.

I have checked your genealogy page and congratulate you on a very thorough job.

• It will help to fill in some gaps in my knowledge of the Brown family and I'll be returning soon to review it in detail.

• I've also had some information from your cousin Andrew Brown. See Guest Book 3 - Jan 2000 and Mailbox AB.

You say "My wife and children continue to serve and love our Lord but in the context of a non denominational community church". I'd be interested to learn whether this means that you are also in the same connection.

Rodney, you can certainly be thankful for a rich spiritual heritage going back several generations.

• Thanks again for visiting, and anything further you may be free to share of your spiritual journey would be of great interest.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Rodney Griffin
Tue, 4 Apr 2006

Please note our new email if anyone would like to correspond. [Change is reflected above. -Ed.]

With kind regards, Rodney Griffin.

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Lana Guy

From: Lana Guy
lanaguyAThotmail.com
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Mon, 29 Sep 2003

I am not part of your Plymouth Brethren group. I am a 26 year old female from Canada.

• I don't know if the regulations are different in the States as opposed to Canada, but I have been reading about your religon trying to understand it.

• So please just tell me one thing, and I would appreciate it if someone from your group would email me back with an answer to my question.

My step dad has been a part of my life since I was 5. I call him Dad, I introduce him as Dad to people I know. He is the only father I have and has raised me as his daughter.

• He was kicked out of the brethren on to the streets when he was only 16 years old. He was just a kid thrown on to the streets by his family and church because he wouldn't follow your religion.

• Years later, when I was 13, my Mom and Dad had a son, his first child.

• He called his parents when my brother was 1 to see if they wanted to meet my brother. They said no, they won't have anything to do with us because we are not brethren.

• Now 13 years later, they call our family and say they want to meet with us. Why now?

I am told that your followers are not allowed to sit down and have a meal with those who are not brethren. Why is this?

• They want to meet us now after my Dad has been kicked out of the family for 30 years and they cannot really associate with us or have a family meal together?

• What happened to the old saying "blood is thicker than water". Does it not apply in your religon?

• Why can our family not be a family just because we have different beliefs?

• We are not bad people, we work hard like everybody else, love like everyone else, and hurt like everyone else.

• Why is my 14 year old brother saying to me, "Why won't my Grandparents talk to me? What did I do?" Is this right?

• In my opinion, shutting out your family, even the innocent ones is the biggest sin of all.

• Could somebody please enlighten me in a way that I will understand and be able to explain to my brother why we are not allowed to see our grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins?

I thank you for your time, patience, and understanding.

Lana.

To: Lana Guy
Wed, 01 Oct 2003

Dear Lana,
Thanks you for writing. You are courageous and wise to seek for an explanation of the family situation you describe.

The whole of this letter is in Guests: My Answer 4:

May the Lord bless you and your family with His comfort and His salvation.

Sincerely, Gordon Rainbow.

Your guest entries and messages will show that the continuation of My Brethren is important to you.

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