Mailbox: AB - 3: Nov. 1998 – present

Christopher Baker

To: Chris Baker
cchbATlower-tysoe.freeserve.co.uk
Warwickshire, UK
Thu, 23 Aug 2001

Dear Chris,
Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren'. You may have noticed in the 'Mailbox' that many guests share their background and area of interest. Please feel free to share yours with us too.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

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John Barber

From: John Barber
John.BarberAT101010.com
Southend, England
Thu, 29 Mar 2001

Just been looking at your site and impressed by the effort you put into and good content there is (tho' if I do have a comment I feel the site is a bit muddly).

I thought you might be interested in the following:

I have written an article, available on the Web, titled "Who are the Brethren" which I believe may be of interest.

• It explores the origins and history, beliefs and practices, present condition and future prospects of the Plymouth Brethren, in particular the Open section.

• I have spent time over trying to get this right because:
  1. I am interested in this question and want to understand my own spiritual roots;

  2. there is a lot of misinformation and ignorance about this question, which ought to be addressed;

  3. I have a heart that the PB’s become again a formidable gospel force;

  4. the truth is important and should be sought out.

The URL is: http://freespace.virgin.net/john.barber1/brethren.htm

Please bear with me if you are not interested. I am sending this to you only because I thought you or those you are in contact with would be :-).

Whilst I have not ruled out getting this published, it seems to me that for a work of this nature the Web is an appropriate publishing medium even though to study it properly you will probably want to print it (16 A4 pages).

• The web based account contains many hyperlinks to other related sites in order to find many of the references.

• This account is geared to the serious scholar as well as any interested in the Brethren.

May the Lord Jesus give you His grace and peace.

John Barber.

To: John Barber
Fri, 30 Mar 2001

Dear John,
Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren' and for your comments, the good and the bad :-)

• I have used my accounting training and 45 years experience in the presentation of financial statements in categorizing and presenting the many facets and details of what is still a growing and somewhat complex site.

• But I suppose one man's order is another man's muddle ;-)

There has only been time to briefly scan your essay but it appears thus far to be rather more objective than most histories and should be of use to those who are unfamiliar with the subject.

• I'm reasonably familiar with 'open' history and practices having been among them for my first few years as a believer and having kept in touch with the situation generally, in these parts at least.

• Also I'm familiar with the books of Rowdon and Coad.

As you suggest, it's quite possible that some of MB's guests would be interested in your essay.

• If you would reciprocate by putting a link in it at an appropriate spot to 'My Brethren' (see below), I'll include your essay on MB's 'Site News: Links'.

I couldn't find a link on your essay to your home page. When I did manage to get there I found there were several links that did not work. You may want to check them.

Thanks again for visiting MB. Though our viewpoints on many things will necessarily differ,

• I do appreciate the brotherly contact and will be glad to hear from you from time to time on matters of mutual interest.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: John Barber
Mon, 2 Apr 2001

Dear Gordon,
Thank you for your kind reply. Concerning my comments about your website, let me reiterate that it was not about content (which was very good)

• in fact going thru it again I am amazed how much there is (tho' as you say I may not agree with everything but hope we can graciously agree to disagree).

My concern was that I found the website a bit daunting and I felt this could put people off, which would be a shame.

• Most web users want to be able to get to what they want as quickly and smoothly as possible.

• However, I suspect many of those who use your site are not part of the instant culture that the Internet seems to foster, but rather more thoughtful and circumvent and will no doubt find what they are looking for if it is there.

Concerning my article, it is as you discern intended to be objective, mainly because so much that is on the web is not.

• I think we need to be careful when handling the truth even if it does not necessary backup one's particular view.

• Truth will always win though even if they kill us in the process. I tried to do this. It is up to other to judge and for me to respond.

• Like you my main concern is to exalt my Saviour but also say something about a group of God's people who I happen to have a lot to do with and (in my opinion) still have something to offer.

Concerning link exchange, please bear in mind what I produced was a learned paper which just happens to be published on the web, and thus I feel only beholden to make reference to sources that I specifically refer to.

• I had indirectly done so in your case by linking to the CBA, which includes your site at the top of its links.

• Anyway, on reflection, I decided you had so much good stuff that your site is worth referencing and have thus made the change.

• As for returning the favour, all I ask is that if anyone considers my work has some merit then feel free to reference to it.

I appreciate the exchange and fellowship. May the Lord bless you in His service.

Yours in HIS amazing grace, John.

To: John Barber
Wed, 04 Apr 2001

Dear John,
Thanks for your reply and for linking your article to MB. I have added a link to your article on Site News: Links.

I understand you finding MB "a bit daunting" and as it continues to grow it may appear more so.

• There is still much material to be added to adequately cover MB's purpose and, as I think you understand, it is intended for serious investigation not for mere surfing.

• MB can be compared to a department store which also might present some difficulties finding what you want until you have made several visits and become familiar with its layout.

• I have tried to simplify this by the 'Menu-SiteMap' – analogous to a store directory.

• It provides access to each group, e.g. 'History', and each page with a group. The drop down menus allow specific viewing of various sections or direct access to groups without surfing the Menu-SiteMap.

• Additional lists give a description or details of the contents of various groups.

• Access to 'Site News' is provided on the Home Page to keep regular guests up to date and allow new guests an easy start.

Thanks again for your thoughts. I appreciate the contact with you John.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: John Barber
Thu, 5 Apr 2001

Gordon,
Thanks for your kind reply … I can see that what you are seeking to achieve with your site and the amount of valuable material on it is something quite outstanding and you are to be commended for it.

Thank you for providing a link to my "Who are the Brethren?" article from your MB site.

Yours in Him, John.

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Charles Barrett

To: Charles Barrett
cande.charlesATvirgin.net
Ryde, Isle of Wight, England
Wed, 17 March 2004

Dear Charles,
Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren' and for your kind remarks. I'm glad that you found MB of interest and trust you will return from time to time.

The details of the dates for AJG and PL are very welcome, and needed changes have now been made.

• Verification of such information as we have is often impossible and any corrections are appreciated.

The other details as to AJG and PL are of great interest and some may be added to the bio of AJG.

• Any additional information you may be able to furnish will be most welcome.
  • Perhaps you can add to History: Stow Hill, History: Hymn Book or other pages.

We are in the process of scanning Hubert Calvey's 'Confrontation …' to preserve it for its historical value

• – not for publication on MB, except possibly for some occasional pertinent extracts.

• We have only a little personal information on HC; that he was local in Southport, worked on the proof reading of the 1961 Bible and was present at GRC's burial. Have you any dates or further details?

Yes, your memory is good; I was the 'area agent' for ministry for Toronto around 1964/1965 until I fell into disfavour as a result of some false charges, a not uncommon matter in those years.

• No doubt I should have withdrawn at that time, but we lingered on till early 1971 – some months after 'Aberdeen'.

It is a great encouragement to hear from you, Charles, and we would be very interested if you are free to share anything regarding your exercise in leaving the JHS group, your subsequent experience and present situation.

Thanks again for visiting and for your valuable contributions.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Charles Barrett
Mon, 29 March 2004

Dear Gordon,
Thank you for your comments of 17th March.

I am afraid I cannot help regarding information on Hubert Calvey as I did not know him.

Regarding AJG: in his life AJG was a good example to many. I know from first hand knowledge and saw with my own eyes that he tried to live his life according to the verse

• "Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble ...".

• He used to visit the elderly frequently and pray with them. As he grew more aged himself he was prone to forgetfulness. I have been told that he was humiliated in the last years of his life.

• AJG married Miss Nancy Harkness in 1966 – I am not absolutely sure of the year.

I think your history of Stow Hill Depot is very good and I can add little to it.

• My three years as an employee there were interesting and the skills I developed, and the knowledge of the printing industry which I picked up whilst there have been extremely useful to me all through my working life.

• For the last twenty five years I have been a lecturer in accountancy, and design and produce my own study material.

I do remember a visit to the Dorstel Press, the organisation which bound the Bibles and good quality hymn books. I watched the workers put the gold leaf on the edges of the pages.

• The way it was done was this: about 10 Bibles were clamped together before their covers were put on; the sides of the pages were painted with red dye.

• Then white of egg was brushed on to the edge of the pages. Then 24 carat gold leaf – each sheet was about two inches square – was carefully placed on the pages, the egg white being the glue. If the gold leaf was mishandled it would disintegrate into powder.

• The craftsman would then take a special onyx stone and polish the gold on the pages until they shone brightly.

• The choice of leather or pigskin for the cover had to be done carefully also; skins were rejected if it could be seen that the animal had rubbed itself against branches of trees.

Sometimes what was going on amongst the brethren was felt at Stow Hill – happenings in the brethren made waves in Stow Hill Depot.

• For example in 1964-1965 the rise of the Australian-based commercial system was evident.

• Two members of Depot staff were brave and courageous enough to question and oppose WBH publicly over things he was saying.

• The result was that both lost their employment, one was sacked and AJG gathered the staff into the general office to inform us that it was because of his opposition to WBH.

• The other, Tommy Gratten – TJG in the books of ministry – who was a fellow proof reader, wrote in and withdrew from the brethren, and he then lost his employment at the Depot.

• I personally found that time traumatic.

• Mr George Hollington was manager from 1964 for a few years.

I left the brethren with my wife, Elizabeth, and family in 1975. We just said we were not coming to the meetings any more.

• For the past twenty one years we have attended a local Church of England with our children, who are now all grown up.
  • We are thankful to have kept our faith.

With christian love to you, Gordon, Charles.

To: Charles Barrett
Tue, 30 March 2004

Dear Charles,
Thanks very much for your reply and your additional interesting and much appreciated comments, some of which have now been added to

• Biography: Brief Sketches: A. J. Gardiner

• and History: Stow Hill Depot.

I hope you will visit MB from time to time and we'll be glad to hear from you again at any time.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Charles Barrett
Wed, 25 Aug 2004

Dear Gordon,
Further to our correspondence earlier in the year and Mark Ghinn's recent information about AJG, I have found in my notes that AJG married Miss Nancy Harkness on 27th July 1965.

I wonder I you would be interested in the attached photo taken at PL's house on the steps by the late Dr. Ben Bodman just before the London meetings 1958. I don't know the names of all in the picture but will start at the bottom left hand corner and work across from left to right:

First Row 1. George Barrett (my dad), Rochford St. London 2. J Taylor 3rd, New York 3. Charles Ivory, Auckland NZ 4. E J Boyt, Manchester

Second Row 5. A. P. C. Lawrence (?), Stornoway 6. Mr. Lyon 7. Mrs Lyon, Rochford St, London 8. ( ? )

Third Row 9. Stanley McCallum, Detroit 10. Gerald R. Cowell, Hornchurch 11. and 12. two ladies, helpers, from Scotland, probably Musselburgh. One may be Miss Dickson. 13. Joe Pollock, Montreal

Fourth Row 14. ( ? ) 15. Charlie Hammond, Peckham, London 16. George W. Brown, Rochford St., London 7. Mrs. Emtage 18. Mr. H. O. Emtage, Barbados, West Indies 19. Edward J Hemmings, Acton

Fifth Row 20. Mrs. Charlie Hammond 21. Mrs. G. R. Cowell 22. Alfred Wellershaus 23. Mrs. Wellershaus, Wermilskirchen, Germany

Mr. and Mrs Lyon used to revel in having many brethren in their house and this photo is a record of what would have been an enjoyable occasion.

With Christian love to you, Charles Barrett.

To: Charles Barrett
Wed, 25 Aug 2004

Dear Charles,
It's good to hear from you again and to know that you are checking 'My Brethren'.

Yes, the photo is of great interest and we will post it with your email until we find a more prominent spot for it on MB.

• I recall being at PL's in 1964, after Dorking, for tea with a house full of guests; and we had the privilege of having the Lyon's for dinner in 1965.

The note as to AJG's second marriage will be a good addition to his bio.

Thanks for the information and for keeping in touch.

In the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Charles Barrett
Tue, 24 Oct 2006

Dear Gordon,
I have been reading your excellent biographical notes about Percy Lyon.

• Regarding the details about his burial in France, the closing hymn sung was 411 "Lord, let us wait for Thee alone" by JND, and not 401. This was one that PL often used to quote. I was present at his funeral and can confirm the hymn number from an account of the burial that I have, written by Norman Abernethie.

I hope you and your wife are keeping well.
With Christian love, Charles.

To: Charles Barrett
Mon, 13 Nov 2006

Dear Charles,
How good to hear from you again! Sorry for the delay in replying. Some incoming email, including yours, was held up through a problem on our server.

• The hymn correction is much appreciated, and now made, as also your comments on our bio of PL. We'll always be glad of any further corrections. Information from those, as yourself, who have personal knowledge is invaluable.

We are reasonably well except that I am experiencing a vision problem which will undoubtedly restrict my ability to work as much on MB. We trust you all are finding the Lord's support.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Charles Barrett
Fri, October 02, 2009

Subject: Re: Gravenstede [See Richard Gravenstede]

Dear Gordon,
I do remember J W Gravenstede but it is 40 / 50 years since I last saw him. He was manager at Stow Hill until probably 1956 - 1957 when David Burgess became manager.

• I worked at Stow Hill from 1962 - 1965 under David Burgess until he was sacked in August 1964 for opposing Bruce Hales.

• The staff members who had worked there under Mr Gravenstede used to talk about him. They used to say that sometimes the staff members would sing and Mr Gravenstede would call out of his office "You will omit the last verse !"

I was a teenager in the 1950s and remember Mr Gravenstede as a good preacher. He attended the Merton Park / Wimbledon meeting in South London. I didn't know him personally, only saw him at meetings and I think he had a son and grandson.

• From 1962 - 1965 the Merton Park and Wimbledon meetings joined London to make up a large city of some 20 meetings. I went to one of these meetings in the north of the city but at least twice a week all the meetings would come together as one gathering in Park Street.

I am sorry I can't be of more help and I hope my memory is accurate. I do hope you are keeping well and your wife.

With best wishes, Charles Barrett.

To: Charles Barrett
Fri, October 02, 2009

Dear Charles,
As your earlier communications, re AJG etc., your info is very helpful and I am forwarding it to Richard. Thanks very much. Its good to have a source for such inquiries.

Another question. I have just obtained an old slim Stow Hill volume, 'Response' by GV Stanley, no date. I have seen the name but wonder if you are able to furnish some details, Is he related to HC Stanley?

As to ourselves we are both relatively well – both 80 this year – although I now use a power chair to get around the retirement home. Trust you and yours are also well in God's mercy.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Pat and Connie Barton

From: Pat & Connie Barton
pacobarATnethere.com
San Diego, CA, USA
Wed, 13 Oct 1999

Hello,
I was in the PB in Indianapolis and left in 1974. My name is Connie Bunning Barton and I vaguely remember Phyllis Schaumburg. I definitely remember John and Beryl McKillop.

I remember the name Colin as well. I saw your note on Dick Wyman's website asking if anyone knew any information about Colin. I just jumped over to www.switchboard.com and searched "by person" under C. Schaumburg, no specific city or state. Several C. Schaumburg's came up and it might be worth a few phone calls to see if one of them is Colin.

I just found Dick's website a week ago and have heard from so many old friends, some of whom could tell me about my family members still in. What a treasure this is. I hope you are successful in finding Phyllis'.

Connie

To: Connie Barton
Fri, 15 Oct 1999

Dear Connie,
Thanks for your e-mail. I should have posted a notice on Dick's site earlier – I did so today – that we had located Phyllis. Many thanks for your interest and suggestions.

Please drop in to "My Brethren" and sign the Guest Book.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Jonathan and Carolyne Bass

To: Carolyne Bass
basstucsonATaol.com
Tucson, Arizona, USA
Tue, 17 Nov 2003

Dear Carolyne,
Welcome to 'My Brethren' and thanks for visiting.

I have made a search for HAI's 'A Historical Sketch of the Brethren Movement' but so far am unable to find a current source.

• Of course, if I learn anything I'll let you know. Perhaps some other guest will see your inquiry and be able to help.

• While HAI's book – which I have in my library – has some interesting information not here on MB, you will find a great deal more on most matters in MB's 'History' group, which I suggest you and your husband review.

MB also has a great collection of edifying ministry which is well worth exploring.

In the Lord, Gordon.

From: The Basses
Fri, 21 Nov 2003

Gordon,
Thanks for passing on the tip that HAI's book was at Amazon.com. $30 does seem exorbitant.

Since you've read the book, can you tell us why HAI left the exclusive brethren?

The Basses.

To: The Basses,
Tue, 25 Nov 2003

Dear Basses,
Briefly, HAI says that while with the 'Grant-Exclusive' group he "was under the soul-withering influence of very legal and narrow views both regarding service and fellowship".

• He say he was led to "an ever-widening sphere of service" eventually accepting the call to be "minister at the Moody Memorial Church".

• Mr. Ironside, as we all, will answer to his own master for his course. Romans 14; 4.

• Still, it seems to me that he put public service ahead of scripture principles, apparently lacking conviction of the wrongness of clericalism and being influenced by "an altar of grand appearance", Joshua 22: 10.

• You will have to make your own judgment as to such a course.

In the Lord, Gordon.

From: Jonathan Bass,
Fri, 27 Nov 2003

Gordon,
I appreciate your response.

Unless I misunderstand, the various groups of exclusive brethren have nothing to do with each other – Tunbridge Wells, Reunited, Ravenites, etc.

1. How can one in those divisions criticize HAI more severely for leaving the 'wrong' exclusive camp than he does the ones who remain?

2. In other words, if the Tunbridge Wells group looks at the Reuniteds as being no better than open brethren, how can they be more critical of the Reuniteds than they are of the open brethren?

Jonathan Bass.

To: Jonathan Bass,
Mon, 1 Dec 2003

Dear Jonathan,
Thanks for your reply, and I'm glad to learn your name.

Yes, except for a few enlightened and open-hearted individuals you are probably right that those groups – like the Jews and Samaritans, John 4: 9 – as you say "have nothing to do with each other".

• I am not connected with any of those groups, or their successor groups, and therefore cannot speak for them, and am not responsible for their actions and attitudes.

1. As to your first point – and I'm not sure whether this refers to my comments as to HAI, or not – I would suspect that many besides myself would be saddened – not that he had left a group with which they had differences, but – that he would, as his action implies, give up important truths he once professed to hold.

2. Your second point appears to be a different question altogether.

• I can only go by what you say as I do not have personal knowledge that "the Tunbridge Wells group looks at the Reuniteds as being no better than open brethren".

• However if that is indeed true I would suspect that the TWs would "be more critical of the Reuniteds than they are of the open brethren" because the 'Reuniteds' – recently re-divided – have more light and therefore more responsibilty than 'opens' do.

• In connection with the TW's I suggest that you have a look at My Stand 3: Hyper Ecclesiasticism and 'Notable Divisions' on the same page.

In the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Marc Beauchamp

Dear Marc,
I'm sure you're right. The Lord surely wants us to be more than superficial ourselves, or in a merely superficial situation in connection with others.

• I hope that you and Leslie will take time to go over the ministry on 'My Brethren'.

• There is much good ministry that rebukes superficiality and encourages reality, both in our relations with the Lord and also with other believers.

• Please let me know how you get on. Your comments and questions are welcome.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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James Bell

To: James Bell
james_enidATbtopenworld.com
Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England
Mon, 21 Oct, 2002

Dear James,
Welcome to 'My Brethren' and thanks for sharing some family details. Hopefully this will bring some contacts with old friends.

I hope you will return and avail yourself of the good ministry. Don't hesitate to contact us again.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Rick Benet

To: Rick Benet
rickbenetATemail.com
Winston-Salem, NC, USA
Mon, 25 Jun 2001

Dear Rick,
I'm very glad you found MB too. It's meant to be a help and encouragement to all my (and His) brethren.

• Do come back again. Check the Mailbox and join other guests in sharing your background and exercises.

Your in the Lord, Gordon.

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John Benjamin

To: John Benjamin
johnbenjaminAThotmail.com
Kottayam, Kerala, India
Sat, 27 Jul 2002

Dear John,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. Your comments are very much appreciated.

In addition to "some of the rare writings of the brethren of yesteryears"

• we have been adding some more recent ministry – though still relatively old to us – by Mr. G. R. Cowell, which I recommend to you.

I trust you will visit again and will be glad to hear from you from time to time.

In our Lord, Gordon.

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Peter Bennett

To: Peter Bennett
mpgsATpicknowl.com.au
Adelaide, Australia
Sun, 11 Apr 1999

Dear Peter,
Thanks for dropping in. I feel with you – and with many others – as to the separation from your family. As you say, trust and faith in God is the only answer.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

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Chris Beresford

To: Chris Beresford
christopherberesfordAThotmail.com
Tyne and Wear, England
Thu, 13 Feb 2003

Dear Chris,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. Your inquiry as to brethren on the Tyneside is in the Guest Book and will, I trust, bring a response.

• I know that years ago there were several meetings in Newcastle. I have also sent your inquiry to a friend, Reg Flowerdew, who may have current information.

In our Lord, Gordon.

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Gregory Berg

To: Gregory Berg
gberg59ATjuno.com
Gresham, OR, USA
Wed, 4 Dec 2002

Dear Gregory,
Welcome to 'My Brethren' and thanks for signing the Guest Book. I trust you will return and explore MB, especially the wide range of ministry.

• Please feel free to share your background and exercises for the Mailbox.

In the Lord, Gordon.

From: Gregory Berg
Thu, 5 Dec 2002

Dear Gordon:,
I am glad you wrote after I left my address on your guest book. I do not have internet, but use it once in awhile at my local library.

• When I logged on, it was at the end of my allotted time. I purpose browsing your website soon.

• Sorry to see some young man dishonoring the Lord in his vulgar My Brethren website. Nice you put a disclaimer in yours.

Meanwhile, a friend in — told me you may have been once identified with the Taylor brethren, but now delivered.

• I myself have been identified with brethren over 40 years, and do not approve of the doctrines of the Raven and Taylor brethren.

• I appreciate the ministry of J. N. Darby, C. H. Mackintosh, Wm. Kelly, and many others.

Down through the years, I have made a list of brethren authors with a 'fellowship code' to identify what 'branch' of brethren each was with, and what years they were born/died.

• I made other types of lists, besides, and a large index of ministry to help me find things.

I am writing to ask if you would be interested in reviewing and making additions or corrections of a small list of names that I am looking for more information on – who were Raven and/or Taylor Brethren.

• This is only for reference reasons, and not for promotion of them.

• My main author list is about 3000 names long. Perhaps more later.

In Christian love, Gregory Berg (of Oregon).

To: Gregory Berg
Thu, 5 Dec 2002

Dear Gregory,
Thanks for your full and brotherly reply. Yes, I would be glad to review your list of authors, which sounds very interesting, although I'm not sure how much help I can be.

• Of course, the connection of those whose ministry appears on MB will be obvious.

• You may have noticed that I don't agree with the common practice of using divisive adjectives with the holy name of brethren. However, your list may not actually do so.

As to myself – when you have opportunity to visit MB again – check A Personal Message on the Home Page and Personal: My Journey.

Yes, I was once identified with those you know as "Raven and Taylor" and have been "delivered"

• – along with others at various times and ways in the succeeding years –

• from the legal sect which developed in 1959.

• That sect is a sorrowful aberration, While it remains the larger group, it certainly does not represent the historical and traditonal position of previous brethren.

However as to the doctrines of which you "do not approve"

• – assuming they are those held before 1959, and not those promulgated since –

• I stand by them as convinced and convicted that they are indeed scriptural.

• I hope that my stand – My Stand is also the title of a section of MB – on these and other points will not preclude you from having further contact.

• I say this only because some who reject teachings which I hold dear have written very bitterly and made wild and unjust accusations against some whom I respect as servants of the Lord.

• Many with whom I have had contact over the years merely repeat the same prejudicial charges others have made, without any personal knowledge and without a sincere and unbiased investigation.

• I'm certainly not suggesting that this would be your attitude and do trust we may be able to continue brotherly contact.

I surmise – perhaps incorrectly – from your friend's name which is familiar to me, that you may be identified with those known to others as 'Tunbridge Wells', although I would not know whether the 'Nepean' or 'Perth' group.

It would be of great interest to hear of the various lists and the index of ministry you have made.

Looking forward to reviewing your short list and hearing from you again.

With brotherly love in Chrust, Gordon.

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Priscilla Besley

To: Priscilla Besley
PrisATbr-standard.co.uk
Paignton, Devon, UK, Locality known as Torbay
Sat, 17 Apr 1999

Dear Priscilla,
You certainly are "a little braver than the last time". Thank you for all the family information. I trust that you hear from some through this contact.

Greetings to John and the family, Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

To: Priscilla Besley
Mon, 08 Nov 1999

Dear Priscilla,
Good to hear from you again.

I do sympathize with you in the pain you still feel over the loss of your family.

• Betty and I had few family connections to leave but we left all our friends of many years. It certainly is not easy after nearly 30 years.

• John may be right that men are different but that doesn't mean that we can't and don't feel the loss deeply.

Perhaps our experience will help you. We have found that the whole matter has to be treated as a death would.

• It has to be accepted. It cannot be changed and we are not guilty.

• It is right to grieve but we have found that God can bring in healing. But we must be ready to accept it.

• Now we can talk about and enjoy the memory of many happy times with our family and brethren.

But there is another side. If we allow our minds to dwell on the loss or on the many wicked things that happened and the sufferings that we and so many others went through, we can quickly be brought to tears.

• It is not that we can forget – as I cannot forget the last painful weeks my mother suffered through in intensive care before the Lord mercifully took her – but to dwell on these matters will just keep the wounds open.

• We have had to learn to control our thoughts and resort to the Lord for needed help.

Even going over old matters with others who have likewise suffered will eventually drag anyone down again.

• Healing and help is not promoted by opening old wounds and chewing the gristle of past sorrows.

• We have to learn to renew our links with Christ and make sure our current links with others are based on all the positive teachings of earlier brethren.
  • This is what "My Brethren" attempts to support and encourage.

May the Lord help you to focus your mind and heart on what is positive, and to

• "seek the things which are above, where the Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God: have your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are on the earth; for ye have died and your life is hid with the Christ in God", Col. 3: 1-3.

• "Whatsoever things are true … think on these things", Phil. 4: 8.

News of how you and John, and how your family is getting on will always be welcome.

Yours in the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Patty Bjork

Dear Patty,
Welcome to 'My Brethren' and thank you for your question as to "how exactly to be saved".

• I have asked my associate to reply. We will be praying that his answer below will be of real help to you. If anything doesn't seem clear, please feel free to ask about it.

• We are concerned for your eternal and spiritual welfare, and look forward to hearing from you again.

In the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Patty Bjork
Thu, 28 Mar 2002

Dear brother Gordon,
Thank you for answering my question. You wanted to know 'why' I asked. Well, I question my own salvation sometimes.

• Twenty years ago, I attended a Pentecostal church, which preached we are all sinners. I always had believed in God and that Jesus died and rose from the dead for my sins, but never knew I was a sinner.

• That night, the Holy Spirit convicted me of this and I felt so guilty before the Lord, that I went home and asked Jesus into my heart and to forgive my sins.

• Since that little prayer, I feel I have become a new creature. My desire is to please the Lord – whom I love as my best friend – but I guess I have a problem with the 'repentance' part.

• To repent means to change your ways but it seems I don't fit into this, as I still do things which don't please the Lord, also, I used to attend a meeting in Richmond, BC, but no longer attend the meetings.

• I guess I want to know what exactly 'repent' means, and how does 'eternal security' fit in with this? Sorry for rambling. Thank you.

Love in Jesus, Patty.

To: Patty Bjork
Mon, 01 Apr 2002

Dear Patty,
The article will appear shortly in Ministry: C. A. Coates 2: The Believer Established. It is an excellent article. In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

Dear Patty,
Rather than 're-phrase' what others have already said – and that, much better than I could anyway! – I thought I'd scan an article by Mr. Coates that has been a great help to me on the very matters you bring up. It isn't terribly long, but take your time with it.

I know that both of us would be encouraged to hear of your progress with these things. Look forward to further correspondence as you are able.

In our Lord Jesus, Sincerely.

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Tracy Bookman

To: Tracy Bookman
tbookmanATlsil.com
Colorado Springs, CO, USA
Mon, 15 Jan 2001

Dear Tracy,
You will find 2 references to "writings of any Christian authors, prior to 1800, that teach … the pre-tribulational rapture of the Church" under 'Church History' on:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/joeflorence/

If you go to the site from which these articles are taken you may perhaps find more, it is:

http://www.novia.net/~todd/index.html

I hope the above is of some help. I have no doubt of the rapture being pre-tribulational, and I suggest you check Doctrine: The Lord's Coming right here on 'My Brethren" for some interesting information.

Thanks for visiting MB. I trust you will return and check the other contents. If you care to share your experiences and exercises I would be glad to hear from you – at any time.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: Tracy Bookman
Mon, 5 Feb 2001

Thank you for the help. Sorry for the delay in replying.

Tracy.

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Ian Booth

From: Ian E. A. Booth
ieaboothATbigpond.com
Port Sorrel, Tasmania, Australia
Sat, 10 Apr 1999

Thank you for your invitation to visit 'My Brethren'.

• Note: In a message on the EBInfo site, Ian said: "My wife, Valerie, grew up in an Exclusive Brethren family. Her parents, now deceased, and one sister and her family left the fellowship in about 1971. She still has one sister and her family who remain in the Exclusives and with whom she has had no contact for about 38 years."

Valerie's family name was Narborough. The family lived in Willoughby, New South Wales, Australia and attended a meeting at Chatswood.

We are Anglican Christians. I have been retired now for six years after 41 years of ordained ministry.

• We have four sons, who with their wives and families are all committed to the Lord which is a great blessing.

We will pray for you and all who share their experiences through "My Brethren".

Every blessing, Ian Booth.

22 Pitcairn Street, Port Sorell TAS 7307, Australia
Tel & Fax +61 3 6428 6439

To: Ian E. A. Booth
Sun, 11 Apr 1999

Dear Ian and Valerie,
Thank you for visiting "My Brethren" and providing your interesting family information and also the assurance of your prayers.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

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Edith Fry Bowie

To: Edith Bowie
ejbowieATwebtv.net
Detroit, Michigan, USA
Sun, 16 Jun 2002

Dear Edith,
Welcome to 'My Brethren" and thanks for sharing some details with us.

I don't believe we ever met or spoke with each other but Betty, my wife, believes that your parents were Mr. and Mrs. Joe Fry Sr of Philadelphia., and that your husband was Allen Bowie.

• We do recall having Mr. and Mrs. Jim Bowie and Agnes in our home in April 1969 at fellowship meetings here in Toronto.

• We were only in Detroit a few times but knew many of the brethren, Browns, Firtions, Hamas, Langleys, McCallums, Smith, Wilsons.

Separation from family members is a real sorrow that we share with you.

You will probably find some names you know in the Guest Book and Mailbox; check 'Mailbox RS' for Richard Reed, one of your relatives.

Thanks again for writing. We'll be glad to hear from you at any time. May the Lord bless and keep you.

In the Lord Jesus, Gordon and Betty Rainbow.

From: Edith Bowie
Sun, 16 Jun 2002

Dear Gordon,
I do not have much time right now, but wanted to know what the difference is between your web site and Dick Wyman's?

Love to you both, Edith.

To: Edith Bowie
Wed, 19 Jun 2002

Dear Edith,
I certainly don't want to evade your question. However, my thoughts on the difference between 'My Brethren' (MB) and Dick Wyman's 'Exclusive Brethren Information' (EBI) …

The complete letter is in Guests: My Answer 3: Difference between Web Sites

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Robert Boyd

From: Robert Boyd
robert.boydATgeltron.com
Irvine, Scotland
Wed, 5 Jan 2000

Hello,
I am hoping to find out some more information about the Exclusive Brethren in the Irvine, Scotland area, with a view to learning and contributing. Can you please assist me with a contact? Thank you.

Regards, Robert Boyd

Dear Robert,
Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren' and for your inquiry which I assume relates to 'exclusive brethren' as featured on MB.

If your inquiry was as to those who have gained notoriety in the media because of their extreme practices, I could not recommend any contact.

In 1963, my latest information, there was no meeting in Irvine but elsewhere in Ayrshire there were small meetings in Beith, Cumnock, Kilmarnock, Preswtick and Saltcoats. As a result of more recent divisions I am not sure what meetings there are now.

I will copy this to a friend in the London Area whom I believe has knowledge of your area in the hope that he will contact you and confirm to me. In the meantime perhaps you will be free to share something of your background and the reason for your interest.

In the Lord, Gordon.

Dear Gordon,
Thank you for your kind response. My background is "disillusioned" Church of Scotland, in as much as I am disappointed in the lack of respect being shown towards our Lord and the teachings of the Bible.

• As a result I am probably drifting somewhat aimlessly and that is perhaps why I am being guided towards the Brethren.

I have no knowledge of happenings within any of the Brethren Churches in the past. I am aware of the Exclusive Brethren and I do not know if you are referring to them here, nevertheless I would be interested to find out if there was a group in the Irvine area in Scotland that I could have some dialogue with.

Thank you again for your kind e-mail response.

Regards, Robert Boyd.

Dear Robert,
Thanks for your reply. Many of us know what it is to have been "disillusioned" but the Lord Jesus and the Spirit never fail us.

I see that Reg Flowerdew has already emailed you and I trust, and will pray, that the contacts he suggest may be of help and encouragement to you.

Studies: Our Responsibility in the Present State of the Church may provide some help.

Please let us know how you get on with the conacts.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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David Brady

To: David Brady
dbradyATfs1.li.man.ac.uk
John Rylands University Library of Manchester
Subject: Christian Brethren Archive
Wed, 08 Mar 2000

I found your Christian Brethren Printed Collection very interesting and would be glad to provide a link if you would reciprocate by linking to "My Brethren".

Gordon.

From: David Brady
Thu, 9 Mar 2000

Hello Gordon,
Thanks for your note. I have appreciated your pages on your web site in the past and think we can, as you suggest, add a window from our site. Yes, do feel free to list ours on yours!

Best wishes, David Brady.

To: David Brady
Thu, 09 Mar 2000

Dear David,
Thanks for your reply. The following though a little lengthy, is what I have posted on MB – Guests: Site News: Links.

• Most of the info is from your postings on Dick's site. Please let me know whether it is accurate and acceptable.

I have 138 volumes of J.T.Jr.'s books but I'm not quite ready to part with them yet as I might need them for research.

• I also have many historical papers and letters, both pre- and post-Aberdeen. See MB's "Personal: My Projects" for some details of "The Historical Reference Series".

• This series – in printed booklets – of all my papers is presently at a standstill because of the demands of the MB web site.

• At some point I would be glad to let you have copies of my completed series.

• For space and other reasons I intend to shred originals and photocopies of letters etc., when I have transcribed them.

Regards, Gordon.

From: David Brady
Fri, 10 Mar 2000

Hello Gordon,
Thank you for the latest posting. With regard to the link message, maybe it could commence simply, 'This catalogue of 15,000 …'. The rest looks fine and adequate.

• I will let our Systems Manager know about the way to list your own site.

As a librarian I shudder when I learn that originals and photocopies of letters are going to be shredded.

• No doubt you have reason to do so, but will the transcriptions provide as authentic documentation as the originals, I wonder?

• Anyway, if there is anything you have no room for and wish to throw out, I would be happy to accommodate it here in the CBA.

Many thanks again for co-operation.

With every good wish, David.

To: David Brady
Fri, 10 Mar 2000

Dear David,
I have made the change in the listing which you suggested. Thank you for arranging a link to MB.

Your feelings "as a librarian" as to the shredding of original documents is quite understandable.

• My intention was, and still is, to preserve the info – some of which is now on MB – in a convenient and legible form for myself and some close friends, as well as "for research purposes only" for "those with a legitimate and sincere interest".

• At the time of that decision I could foresee having to move to much smaller quarters in a retirement home. My wife and I are now 71 and that time is much closer.

• I was unaware of CBA and did not want to burden others with piles of papers.

Most of my library will be left to other brethren, but I am sure that they will not be interested in the volumes of J.T.Jr. or in the originals of papers I have reproduced in the Historical Reference or other series.

• Most of those papers are staple bound in 30 or so books. There are a number of letters of a personal nature with no historical significance, and a few others which for various reasons I do not want preserved. This will means going through and removing such items when I have time.

• In view of your offer, and if I cannot take it up myself, I will leave instructions with my attorney or executor to contact you to make mutually suitable arrangements.

As to your query "will the transcriptions provide as authentic documentation as the originals".

• To a historian probably not but, in the absence of originals, their value would be carefully weighed.

• I suppose the value of the transcriptions, unless there was corroborating evidence, would ultimately rest on an estimation of my personal integrity and reliability.

• Unless I was known to them personally, researchers might be wary.

• However, even with textual criticism, we finally depend on transcriptions for the text of the Holy Scriptures.

By the way, though I have not reviewed your extensive catalogue for any items of special interest, I trust that in the event of a request the Library would consider me to be a "bona fide researcher".

I will be glad to hear from you at any time.

Regards, Gordon.

From: David Brady
Mon, 13 Mar 2000

Good morning Gordon,
Thank you for further discussion, which I appreciate.

• Yes, of course, you are a bona fide researcher. I admit, it seems an odd phrase to put in, but you know us British, we like to be cautious:

• 'any' and `all' are far too sweeping terms for us; we might be held to them, even by library burners.

With all good wishes, as ever, David Brady.

To: David Brady
Re: Christian Brethren Archive Picture Gallery
Wed, 21 Jun 2000, amended Mon, 10 Jul, 2000

Dear David,
You are certainly expanding your horizons! You may be interested in the identities of those in your photo No. 8. "Watchman Nee and group of Taylor Brethren".

• The following is based on two similar photos in Angus Kinnear's "Against the Tide", personal knowledge, Letters of James Taylor, and conversation with Andrew and Lois Robertson.

Standing: Arthur. E. Mayo (Banbury ?, England), Dr. C. S. Powell (San Francisco?), Faithful Luke, E. Phillips (Australia), Joyce (Australia), Ye, W. J. House (Australia)

Seated: John Chang, Mrs. —, Mrs. —, Watchman Nee. (One of the ladies is thought to be Mrs. Barlow.)

Charles R. Barlow of London, England, who does not appear in the photo was likely the photographer.

A. J. Gardiner says the group consisted of "six brothers, two from England, three from Australia, and one from America, and two sisters, wives of two of the brothers, visited China during, October, November and December, 1932".

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: David Brady
Wed, 28 Jun 2000

Hello Gordon,
Many thanks for the note about persons on the Watchman Nee photograph. I will ask our Systems Manager to add the information to the caption on the web site.

• Maybe we can expand this photo gallery further.

Best wishes, David Brady.

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Carmelo Brancato

Dear Carmelo,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. I'm glad to hear that you will be returning. I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have as to MB.

• It seems that you are a 'collector' of old items as I also am. Many of mine are now on MB or will appear in due course.

• I would be interested to know who referred you to MB.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Carmelo Brancato
Fri, 1 Feb 2002

Dear Gordon,
Thanks for the welcome. The gentleman that told me about your site is David Perry. Do you know the gospel preacher Robert Surgenor from Ohio?

Thanks, Carmelo

To: Carmelo Brancato
Mon, 4 Feb, 2002

Dear Carmelo,
Thanks for the information. David Perry must be a visitor to MB who has not signed the Guest Book. No, I don't know Robert Surgenor. Thanks again.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Sipke Brandsma

To: Sipke Brandsma
Sipke_BrandsmaAThotmail.com
Munstergeleen, Limburg, The Netherlands
Tue, 02 Sep 2003

Dear Sipke,
Welcome to 'My Brethren' and thanks for your inquiry as to C. A. Bernstein 1672-99, author of that excellent hymn 174, "O patient, spotless One".

• You have come to the right place, but unfortunately I don't have any biographical information on CAB. I have not been able to locate any on the internet and regret that I can't refer you to another source.

• I am very interested myself as I am preparing some biographical information on Authors of Hymns for the 1973 Little Flock Hymn Book. If the Lord will, this will eventually appear on 'My Brethren'.

• I'm hopeful that your inquiry, which will be posted in MB's Guest Book, will attract some information. I'll certainly let you know if any details come to light and trust you will let me know anything you may discover.

Don't be concerned as to your English! It was good to hear from you and I would be interested to learn anything else you may be free to share as to your own history and your 'church'.

• Please feel to write again and to explore the fine ministry on MB.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Cyndi Braun

To: Cyndi Braun
sc8pak81ATharborside.com
Brookings, Oregon, USA
Sat, 7 Jul 2001

Dear Cyndi,
Welcome to 'My Brethren'. We would be glad to hear of items on MB that specially interest you, and your background and exercises.

In the Lord , Gordon.

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Noel Brien

To: Noel S. Brien
nmbrienATtelusplanet.net
Calgary, AB, Canada
Thus, 16 Nov 2000

Dear Noel,
Your 'surprise' call on Saturday was very refreshing. Betty and I have also missed our once often contacts with you and Margaret, and your family.

You certainly have been exploring MB and know your way around.

• In view of the many misconceptions surrounding the brethren – some only being familiar with, and feeding on, the failures of the last 40 years –

• my aim has been to present an accurate, if humbling, historical account and a comprehensive view of the treasury of distinctive ministry to which we are heirs.

• I could not have imagined the generally high quality of response that has ensued, nor the encouraging personal relations.

• The renewal of contact with you, Noel, is an unforeseen but very welcome blessing.

Yes, it would be good to speak further. [Available times not included here.] But to be sure, perhaps you could email me a day or so ahead as to your intention, and I will confirm.

I passed on your greetings to Andrew and Lois Robertson. They were glad to hear of you and reciprocate your love.

I'll be looking forward to your suggested time and speaking with you again.

Betty sends her love to Margaret and yourself.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Noel Brien
Tue, 05 Dec 2000

Dear Noel,
I just want to confirm my appreciation of your phone call yesterday afternoon.

• It was a real joy to be able to mutually review many matters in connection with the Lord's interests here, as we were accustomed to do in earlier years.

• Your interest in MB is an encouragement.

You and Margaret will be in our thoughts and prayers, and I look forward to hearing from you in the new year when you return from your forthcoming trip to England.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

To: Noel Brien
Thu, 13 Mar 2003

Dear Noel,
Thanks for calling to let us know that Margaret Morris was with Christ. There is now a note in the 'Bulletins'.

I enjoyed the full conversation and the many memories it brought back as many of our brethren.

Yes, there are many details of spiritual value relating to brethren of the past which would be of interest and stimulation to guests of MB.

• It would take the welcome service of someone like yourself to gather such 'reminiscences' for posting.

Betty joins in love to Margaret and yourself.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Noel Brien
Mon, 24 May 2004

Dear Gordon,
It was, as always, good to chat last week. While going through a file last night I came across this picture of Mr. Carter and thought that, in case you don't have it already, you'd want to see it.

• If you do wish to have it, but need it to be sent in some other form, just let me know.

• I understand from David Freeman that SJBC came from Australia – whether born there or an immigrant I don't know – and married late in life.

We will continue to carry you and Betty in our affections and prayers, especially now for guidance as to living quarters most suitable to your changing needs.

Margaret joins in our much love in the Lord to you both. Noel.

To: Noel Brien
Mon, 24 May 2004

Dear Noel,
Many thanks for the valuable photo of SJBC, which I have now added to MB under Doctrine: The Sonship of Christ.

• I'm not sure whether I can crop the photo or not, to remove the border. If you can it would be appreciated.

Roy Devenish is out of the hospital and back at Bethany Lodge but still on oxygen. It seems He may soon be with the Lord.

Walter Fleming is still in hospital from a stroke and we are having some difficulty obtaining current news of his progress.

Betty joins in love to Margaret and yourself in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Noel Brien
Sat, 3 Dec 2005

… Yesterday I had a call from Maurice Matthews of Walsall whose son Ben had just found "My Brethren".

• When he asked whether I knew anything about Gordon Rainbow I was happy to give a good report, including that I have known you almost as long as I have known him.

• He then asked me to pass on to you his appreciation for the site, especially the section on the Lord's sonship, which Ben had been looking up …

Margaret and I hope, DV, to leave for Calgary Dec.16, returning about Jan. 2/3. We send our much love in our Lord Jesus to you and Betty. Noel.

From: Noel Brien
Mon, 12 Dec 2005

Dear Gordon,
Happening on an old album just now, I remembered your published request for photographs and send this list. If you wish any of these I can scan them to you (or send if you prefer) but, because we are about to leave for Calgary, it would have to be next month. Many of these you probably already have:-

JND - The Powercourt group - a drawing, then three photos: as a young, middle aged and older man;

FER - two, fairly similar, as an older man; JBS - as an older man, one frontal, the other partially side view;

CHM - probably upper middle age; GVW- same; Mr. Revell - same; CAC - old, and older; Mr.Trevitt-middle age;

Mr. & Mrs Otsing - old; one unmarked, but I think might be Mr. & Mrs. Alfred Helen; Mr. & Mrs. Bishop; Mr Crawshaw; Mr. Bryson; all N.Z. and upper middle age;

PL; LES&2nd wife; LES and ABP, LES and James Branch; S.McC; SMcC&wife and S.McC & Jim Lovie all 1940s in UK;

Mr. & Mrs F W Trussler older; Kenneth Price; Stuart Price (both died in middle age)

Mr. & Mrs. JT in Australia(1947/48?) - one by himself, seated with teacup; one by themselves and another (same time) in a group which includes AJG; then another much earlier one of the couple seated in a garden - the only one I've ever seen where JT is wearing an ordinary tie, not a bow; another by himself in his 80s, wearing hat.

JTjr& Renee; JTJr, SMcC & WBH all smiling and about to get into a car. JT111 & Ailsa at their wedding.

One of Andy Angus, Donaghadee. - a valued brother who wrote a good hymn which was excised in the 1962 revision.

A 1964 Belfast group at the home of Mr. & Mrs. G H Patton which also includes his cousin John Patton and wife, visitng from Australia.

I look forward to hearing if any of these would be of value for 'My Brethren'

Love to you and Betty, Noel

To: Noel Brien
Tue, 13 Dec 2005

Dear Noel,
Thanks very much for your kind offer. I think we may have some of the photos but cannot be sure without seeing them. Would you mind browsing the biographies (JND etc) on MB to see whether those you have would duplicate? Check Memorabilia: Russia 1935 for Otsing's just added.

• Otherwise I would be glad to have all or any of those you have listed, if you don't mind scanning them as jpg's, when you are back home.

Trust you have a good trip and a happy time in Calgary.

Betty joins in love in our Lord Jesus to you and Margaret, Gordon

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— Broadley

To: — Broadley
broadATbtInternet.com
Preston Lancs, UK
Wed, 26 Apr 2000

Dear —,
Thanks for visiting "My Brethren". Perhaps you would be good enough to let me have your first name for the mailing list. Also, I would be glad to learn of any personal exercises or details you may be free to share.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

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Michael L. Brooks

To: Michael L. Brooks
brooks9ATcarolina.net
Pembroke, NC, 28372, USA
Mon, 8 Jan 2001

Dear Michael,
Thanks for visiting 'My Brethren'. It is gratifying to have my efforts appreciated. Thank you.

As always, I would be glad to have any personal information you may care to share for the interest of other guests. Please come again.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Andrew Brown

To: Andy Brown
ambroATbluep.com
Box Hill, Victoria, Australia
Fri, 28 Jan 2000

Dear Andy,
Welcome to "My Brethren". Please return whenever you can and let me have any comments.

• Thanks for the reference to your Biography. I have reproduced it in the Guest Book, believing it will be of interest to others.

It was very interesting to me to finally get the Brown genealogy correct.

• Many years ago I had correspondence with Arthur G. Brown who would be your great uncle. Two of his letters, to others, are in Doctrine: Sonship of Christ.

We use the 1973 KBT hymn book, but have made a supplement for local use.

• It includes 3 of your father's hymns not in that book.

• We appreciate all the hymns from your family.

I hope to be able to include some of your grandfather's (W.M.B.'s) ministry on MB in the future.

You are greatly privileged, Andy, to have such a heritage in your family and

• like Paul you can say – spiritually – "But I was also free born".

• I have no family background among the brethren or Christians and so like the chiliarch say, "I, for a great sum, bought this citizenship", Acts 22:28 – not my salvation of course.

• May we both value the spiritual heritage of the past now so dishonoured publicly.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

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Anne Sutton Brown

From: Anne Sutton Brown
gasbATcitenet.net
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Sat, 11 Dec 2004

Dear Sir,
I stumbled on your site today while Googling C. P. Martin,

• who was emeritus professior of anatomy at McGill University in Montreal in the 1970's.

• He was mentioned in the site on J. N. Darby: An Unfriendly Appraisal, and yes, he died in the mid-1970's.

He was a lover of the Lord and His Word and a powerful influence on generations of medical students.

• I met his son John through Inter Varsity Christian Fellowship back in the 1950's and through him met Dr. C. P. a couple of times.

I attended a brethren assembly in Montreal for a while and then other churches until finally, about 25 years ago,

• I landed up at Cote des Neiges Presbyterian church, attracted by the solid Bible teaching and the very multicultural Christian family.

In the fall of 2003 I was browsing at the McGill Book Fair and found a large, maroon-bound typescript by Dr. C. P. Martin with the title: "A Man Named Jesus: A Study of the Bible as a Whole".

• Of course I bought it and then contacted his son John, who is now a retired professor of medicine in Saint John's, Newfoundland, about the possibility of publishing it as I found it really interesting and eminently readable.

• Eventually we settled on publishing it on a Web site, since Dr. C. P.'s take on a number of subjects, especially on evolution, combined with his devout attitude to the study of the Bible, would make it unlikely that we would find a publisher of any stripe.

• John sent me, in addition to biographical material, a copy of Dr. CP's article on the Walkerite brethren, which I read with great interest.

Although I have known a few brethren folk here in Montreal casually, through helping with an elderly lady who was a member of their assembly, and I sometimes go to their bookstore, Bibles and Publications,

• I had no idea that there had been such a catastrophic split and am saddened to read of it.

The website for Dr. Martin's book is still in it's formative stages as I am typing and editing the material in between many other activities and am a total novice with the technology.

Yours sincerely, Anne Sutton Brown.

To: Anne Sutton Brown
Tue, 14 Dec 2004

Dear Anne,
Thanks for writing and giving us some of your background, and the interesting background on C. P. Martin. We appreciate hearing from you.

• The article which Gordon mentions – 'Recollections of the Walkerite or so-called Separatist Meeting in Dublin' – was from a publication called The Journal of the Christian Brethren Research Fellowship.

• I can locate it and send you a photocopy if you like.

We share your concerns with divisions among brethren.

• It is a disgrace to the Lord that it should be so, and though we certainly can't say it's anything new, we ought never 'get used to it'.

• What we can do is keep ourselves from sharing in the iniquity – 2 Timothy 2: 19-22 – so we can be at the Lord's disposal, made fit and "serivceable to the Master".

Yours in our Lord Jesus.

Dear Brother,
Regarding the article on the Walkerites, actually Dr. John Martin gave me a photocopy

• and I contacted the outfit that now publishes The Christian Brethren Research Fellowship for permission to include it on the website but haven't heard from them.

• I will try contacting them again soon.

You are right that we should stay close to the Master and study to show ourselves approved ...

• rather than getting caught up in disputes that tear His Church apart, though it is sometimes so difficult to avoid, so easy to lose sight of His face and His will.

May the Lord bless your work and keep us all in His will,
Anne Sutton Brown.

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Mark Brown

To: Mark Brown
mbrownATqns.com
Piedmont, OK, USA
Tue, 27 Feb 2001

Dear Mark
Welcome to 'My Brethren', and thank you for your kind comments. It's encouraging to learn that one's labour is not in vain.

As your special interest at the moment is "the ministry of the brethren from the 19th century only", you will certainly find more to look into in the "Ministry" group.

• Much of the ministry on MB is from 19th century servants who were in practical fellowship with JBS with whom you are familiar.

• But don't overlook the ministry of later servants on MB, C. A. Coates, G. R. Cowell, A. E. Myles and others who followed after JBS.

Please don't be offended at my concern for you and your family. I don't know your personal exercises as to meeting with other believers, and as to the breaking of bread.

• But I wonder if you have considered whether taking your family to "a local bible church" – albeit temporarily – will result in them growing up thinking that it really doesn't matter where or how they meet. And will you later regret it?

As you asked, my reply to the balance of your email is being sent separately to mlbrownATlucent.com.

I will be interested in your comments and look forward to hearing from you again.

Yours in our Lord, Gordon.

To: Mark Brown
mlbrownATlucent.com
Piedmont, OK, USA
Tue, 27 Feb 2001

Dear Mark
You said "I don't know to what you refer when you speak of a special falling away of some kind that began specifically in 1959. Would you please reply to to mlbrownATlucent.com with information on it?"

I can appreciate your not understanding the reference to 1959, which those who have been personally affected by it would recognize at once.

• Briefly, there were many decades of spiritual prosperity among brethren in practical fellowship with JND, JBS, FER, CAC, JT and others.

• After JT's death in 1953 the enemy began a subtle attack which came out publicly in 1959 and quickly developed into a repressive legal system from which many suffered.

• To avoid repetition I refer you to my reply to a recent similar inquiry: My Answer 2: Happenings of 1959.

Yours in our Lord, Gordon.

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Martyn Buckland

From: Martyn Buckland
mjbuckoATbigpond.net.au
PO Box 21 Toukley 2263, Australia
Tue, Dec 26, 2006

Dear Gordon,
We have been trying to access purchase of the 1962 edition of the Little Flock Hymn book here in Australia as yet to no avail. We are wondering if you can assist us (or even an earlier edition).

Yours in Christ, Martyn and Vanessa Buckland.

To: Martyn Buckland
Sat, Dec 30, 2006

Dear Martyn,
Good to hear from you again (Aug. 2004) and thanks for your inquiry.

• See History: Hymn Book 2: Various Revisions in Use - for general information.

• See History: Hymn Book 4: Words for the 1973 Re-Selection.

By copy of this I am asking my good friend Noel Brien to let you know how to obtain the 1962 Hymn Book.

• We use the 1973 Re-selection from Kingston Bible Trust. For details see See News: KBT Report: Catalogue and Pricing.

Please let us know how you make out with the hymn books, and anything else as to your present situation that you are free to share.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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Ernest Bullock

From: Ernest Bullock
ernestATrochester.rr.com
Rochester (?), New York (?), USA

Thu, 26 Jul, 20001: This message appeared on another site. As a past "exclusive" I would enjoy hearing from any with connections to the pre-Aberdeen period.

To: Ernest Bullock
Fri, 07 Sep 2001

Dear Ernest,
I certainly have "connections to the pre-Aberdeen period" and would be glad to hear from you.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Ernest Bullock
Fri, 07 Sep 2001

Gordon,
I saw thru JTJr in 1954. I can't understand why others could not. The work and ministry of his father was very nearly destroyed by this man.

I hope that those like yourself, who wish to recover the victims of this man will strive to re-establish the influence of the Holy Spirit with love and truth.

With love and hope thru Jesus Christ. Ernest Bullock.

To: Ernest Bullock
Sat, 08 Sep, 2001

Dear Ernest,
Thanks for your reply. I hope you will find some encouragement and refreshment on 'My Brethren'.

It may be hard to understand why many others did not see what you did, when you did. I can only speak for myself.

• As young and naive and desiring to do what was right, I allowed myself to be completely and inexcusably deceived by an appearance of righteousness.

• However, thanks be to God, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, opened my eyes to the whole unscriptural, legal and cruel system.

• It will be a cause of great thanksgiving if the Lord uses 'My Brethren' to awake and recover any of the "victims".

In the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

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John Bunning

From: John Bunning
jonbunATtemecula.com
Temecula, CA, USA
Mon, 13 Mar 2000

Hi Gordon!
Enjoyed scanning some of your site and want to thank you for your continued work of love. I'm glad to be on your mailing list and hope to continue to receive the latest.

Love in Christ, John Bunning.

To: John Bunning,
Tue, 14 Mar 2000

Hello John,
The years go by so quickly, but He remains the Same. I'm glad you enjoyed scanning MB and hope you will come back again. There are usually new items each month.

Love in the Lord Jesus, from Betty and myself, Gordon.

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Patty Bunning

To: Patty Bunning
pacobarATnethere.com
California, USA
Mon, 11 Oct 1999

Dear Patty,
Re your message, my wife Betty (Reid) and I remember your father John, also Norman Bunning your grandfather in Indianapolis.

• We knew John and Mary Taylor and their family well but have no recent news of them as we left in 1971. If he has not already seen your message you might get some more recent news from Harry Lewis of London.

• We had a pleasant visit yesterday afternoon with John and Beryl McKillop of Chicago, who had visited Harry and Joyce a few days before.

• Hope you learn some recent family information.

You would be welcome on the "My Brethren" web site where you'll find some personal information as to ourselves, and some interesting correspondence.

With love to all, yours in the Lord,

Gordon and Betty.

From: Pat Bunning
Tue, 12 Oct 1999

Dear Gordon,
Very surprised, and pleased to hear from you! I remember your name, but I am sorry to say, I can't remember your face! It has been too long!

I have sent a note to Harry Lewis hoping for more recent news of Taylors. I left in '79, so he probably has a lot of info that I don't know.

• Connie and I have not spoken to anyone other than our dad in all these years. We all live within 2 hours of each other on Southern California.

Please, please, please – give my regards to John & Beryl McKillop! I believe they were still in when I left.

• I remember their kids, Valerie, Johnny, and Heather very well and some of my earliest memories are of Beryl's folks, the Morrisons, visiting us in Indy when I was in approx. kindergarten or first grade!

• I also know her sister, Helen Guignard, and family in Knoxville. Remember them with much love!

• Could you ask them to contact me, as they might have more current info on my mom, Elinor?

Would appreciate any contact with anyone who remembers me!

Since I do not have internet access at home, you can reach me at my sister's pacobarATnethere.net.

Thank you so much! Patty Bunning.

To: Patty Bunning
Fri, 15 Oct 1999

Dear Patty,
I am copying your message to John and Beryl McKillop. They may not yet be home from their trip through eastern Canada, but I am sure they will contact you.

Yours in our Lord, Gordon.

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Charles Burgess

To: Charles Burgess
probeATgateway.net
252 Randall Dr., Folsom, Ca. 95630
Thu, 22 Apr 1999

Dear Charles,
Thanks for visiting "My Brethren" and sharing some history to which I can relate a little.

• I was converted in 1946 and Emmaus Bible School was established in Toronto around that time. Its founders, Ed Harlow, John Smart and Ernie Tatham were all connected with the same "open" meeting as I was – until I withdrew in 1950.

Isolation, as you are experiencing is not the most desirable situation for a believer.

• But if it not the result of wilfulness there is blessing for the faithful individual. John 14: 21; 2 Tim. 4: 16-17; Rev. 1: 9-11.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

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David Butler

To: David Butler
dabutlerATbadlands.nodak.edu
U.S.A.
Tue, 25 Jan 2000

Dear Dave,
You will not find many references to the "Ames/Grant" on the EBInfo site because, as it states, it is "a collection of information about the Exclusive Brethren, specifically the … branch currently led by John S. Hales of Australia".

In the past I had some contact with brethren from whom "Ames/Grant" had separated.

• However I was not able to learn much from them about the situation, and no documentation seemed to be available.

I am very interested in the history of brethren, although my web site "My Brethren" deals with a specific tradition which does not include "Ames/Grant".

• But I would be interested in receiving any documentation available, letters, circulars, lists, other information, etc. which you might have.

• If this were available I would be glad to furnish a "critique".

I hope to hear from you, and that you will visit "My Brethren" and sign the Guest Book.

Yours in the Lord, Gordon.

From: David Butler
Tue, 25 Jan 2000

Gordon,
I just finished reading the book "A Historical Sketch of the Brethren Movement" by H.A. Ironside. It is a really good book, but it does not give any information on the 1900's.

• I am searching for info on that time period, to see what division we are associated with. If I find any good sources I will let you know!

In Christ, Dave Butler.

To: David Butler
Thu, 27 Jan 2000

Dear David,
I have Ironside's book which lacks in breadth of coverage, no doubt because of lack of information.

• As most histories, it seems biased.

• So-called 'brethren' are often loath – perhaps from fear of its misuse – to share information as to their history with others.

As far as I recall, those known as "Ames-Grant" separated from those known as "Booth-Grant" in 1948 because they were unhappy about the continuing inter-communion with "Glanton" in Britain.

• Surely some of your older brethren have documents relating to that time and since.

• Of course, sometimes it may be discreet not to ask about such things. I would be glad to hear of anything you may learn.

Yours in our Lord, Gordon.

Your guest entries and messages will show that the continuation of My Brethren is important to you.

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