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J. N. Darby
Research Papers – Part 1
by Max S. Weremchuk

 

Introduction
1. County Clare + Comments: T. Stunt
2. Powerscourt Connections
3. Legal Training
4. Calary

5. Cleaver Letter
6. Early Views
7. Dates, etc.
8. Wolff
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INTRODUCTION
J. N. Darby
Research Papers by Max S. Weremchuk
Thes papers are pesented as is, without MB's usual formatting.
See also Guests: My Answer 4: Biography: Early Brethren
and Biography: John Nelson Darby – Revised Version.

Hi Gordon! I thought I'd write and tell you how I am making progress in the revision of the Darby biography. There is much work ahead of me. Instead of bringing certain points to a conclusion I find more and more avenues of research opening up. This time around I would very much like to be able to reconstruct the times. They were different. Even the language. We easily fool ourselves into believing we understand how things were.

What is becoming ever clearer to me is that our picture of Darby is very incomplete. The published material is not enough. Scratching only the surface. Too much has been edited and left out. The man is missing. We need more material like Darby's letter to his brother Horatio (published in "Leap Castle. A Place and Its People" written by Marigold Freeman-Attwood, a Darby descendant) to complete the picture.

I realize I am risking things somewhat, coming out with items from my research before the book's publication. Someone might "jump the gun" on me through this. (We authors/researchers can be very "possessive" of what we feel "we" have uncovered.) But in the long run what I'm after is the truth. Being able to reconstruct things as they actually were is my goal. An interaction with your readers as I go along may prove to be helpful in correcting me or adding to the material.

There are actually 3 major items at the moment. I'll send them to you in parts or instalments as they would be too long all at once. The last item is perhaps the more important one, in any case it has greater consequences and requires a major correction in my biography with important outworkings.

Every blessing, Max Weremchuk.

March 2003, M. S. W.

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RESEARCH PAPER  1
County Clare

Okay, here is the first "instalment":

I recently had part of the so-called "Sibthorpe/Darby Collection" here with me. I had photocopies of some of it before, but having the originals to study is a completely different thing - as the following will show. Among the letters to Darby there is the following (mentioned in my biography):

(I give the lines as in the original, with spelling mistakes and deletions. Due to folds not everything is legible.)

Corofin is in County Clare in Ireland. I wrote there and came into contact with very friendly and helpful historians - particularly Ciaran "murchadha.

"Captain Rock" here was not a real person. What is being referred to here are the Rockites. Something like a "civil rights" or protest group. Groups with a religious grievance of some sort, either with their landlord or local Church of Ireland clergyman or similar, used the designation "Captain Rock".

Ciaran "murchadha wrote to me in this connection:

"This type of letter, or often notice, posted outside recipient's residence, as you probably know, were extremely common in Ireland throughout the nineteenth century. This one appears to be somebody's copy, as the handwriting seems too practised: often the writers were near illiterate, or tried to present themselves as so being in order to disguise penmanship that would otherwise be recognisable. The Captain Rock signature is also typical: others would have been Captain Starlight or Captain Moonlight. It may be that there is a police report on this in the relevant files in the Chief Secretary's Office, in the National Archives."

"In the late 1820s County Clare, and parts of the adjoining counties of Limerick and Tipperary were convulsed by an agrarian uprising brought about by a movement whose participants were known as the Terry Alts. Although poor market conditions had much to do with this explosion of popular anger, it was expressed in anti-Protestant sentiment because of the injustice of the whole tithing issue, etc.

This was also the time of Emancipation, which as you will known was achieved after O'Connell's victory in the Clare election of 1828. Sectarian passion was high enough as it was, but to make things worse the Terry Alt rising, and the O'Connellite agitation coincided with an intensive missionary campaign in parts of Ireland by evangelical Protestants, the first phase of the famous 'Second Reformation.'

In Clare the centre of the Evangelical Mission was Corofin and the neighbouring parish of Ruan/Dysert, where a local landlord named Edward Synge (kinsman to the later J. Millington Synge) made a determined attempt to proselytise his Catholic tenants, with bitter results that are still remembered today.

At Corofin he established a 'colony' with all the usual paraphernalia, schools, scripture readers and so on, and his activities brought much an angry reaction from the Catholic population, particularly those who were prepared to take direct unlawful action to redress perceived grievance."

But he also mentioned something which got me very excited:

"Rev. Darby clearly was one of the evangelical clergymen at the Corofin colony, where local lore has it 'Bibles were as common as raspberries.' You should find a reference to this in Ignatius Murphy's The Diocese of Killaloe 1800-1850 (Four Courts Press, Dublin, 1993), and in Flan Enright's article, 'Edward Synge, the Dysert Proselytiser' in The Other Clare, vol. 8 (1982), pp. 8-11."

So I went on a search in the internet and found the following under O'De Online:

"Most of the lands of Dysert (which for centuries belonged to the Diocese of Killaloe) went to the family of Synge which had been involved in ecclesiastic affairs in the Established Church since the 1670s. Nicholas Synge was Bishop of Killaloe in the middle of the eighteenth century and was probably responsible for the building of the fine three-story house at Carhoo in Dysert. Edward Synge, who gained control of the land in 1823, was a religious fanatic who swore to stamp out the great evil of "Papism". Edward Synge build schools which taught religious instructions most of the day. Through strongly opposed by the parish priest in Corofin, he continued his religious missionary zeal until his Dysert school was burned during the night in 1826. Synge himself captured two of the miscreants where upon a police guard was placed upon his house. Things came to a head on Ash Wednesday in 1831, when shots were fired at Edward Synge's car as he was returning home from Corofin. His driver was killed while Synge was miraculously saved by a Bible he always carried in his breast pocket. (The Bible and bullet are today on display at the Corofin Heritage Center.) Edward's son, Francis Hutchinson Synge, took over the Dysert lands in the latter half of the nineteenth century and carried out much needed repairs to the old chapel of the O'Deas, the round tower, and the high cross. He is buried under a stone of polished granite just outside the walls of the Dysert O'Dea church."

This got me all the more excited, because it also reminded me of a William Kelly remark in a letter dated 22 February, 1901:

"You are likely right as to Sir F(rancis) H(utchinson); but I cannot speak with certainty. Dr O'B(rien), the famous bishop of Ossory, married Mr Darby's niece, daughter of the Lord Chief Justice Pennefather. Mr Synge of Syngefield was a remarkable early, who stood through the shots of the Tipperary murderers day and night unharmed. A bullet was once stopped at John XVII.15 over his heart. His servant was shot beside him in driving. So was his brother whom Lady Powerscourt used to call "Naughty William Sadleir:" a fire-eater, etc, etc, but next a lamb."

I recently found mention of this in the Fry MSS as well, large book, page 239 (from vol. 8, p. 26):

"After his" (Darby's) "return to Ireland Mr. Synge was shot. Darby heard of it and was so concerned. He was so poor that we helped him through it."

This is helpful in placing Darby's visit and meeting with Newton. Mr Synge was shot "Ash Wednesday in 1831" which took place - as Newton writes - after Darby returned to Ireland.

Darby was not just involved with John Synge and Francis Hutchinson, but also with Edward Synge. This the "Captain Rock" letter confirms.

In the past lettering writing - or posting - was expensive. They did not use envelopes. The letter was written on one side and then folded together with the address of the recipient on the other side (enclosures cost extra). The letter in question has been glued to another sheet as reinforcement. On the one hand this was a good idea because otherwise the letter would have fallen apart, on the other hand it is not good because the address is now covered. The letter is glued in such a way that trying to remove it would destroy it. You can see the address when held up against the light - but not clearly.

"Darby of" is clear the rest is difficult.

It seems to read "Delivered to _ _ _
Darby of _ _ _"

One of my sons meant, after "Darby of" it seems to be "Dy_ _ _" I agreed. And an "s". "Dys _ _" At first it didn't make sense. And then, and then!, I looked at Ciaran "murchadha's email again. "Edward Synge, the DYSERT Proselytiser"!! Looking at the letter again it was clear. "Dys _ _ t"

Darby was staying at Edward Synge's place at the time in question.

Ciaran "murchadha had more helpful information for me:

"And here I may have more information of value. Synge himself deviated from his Church of Ireland connection, after experiencing a form of spiritual conversion shortly after arriving at Carhue, Dysert in 1823 to manage his family's estates. According to Enright his religious beliefs made him 'equally distant from Protestant and Catholic.'!

A brother of his, Colonel Charles Synge was an extensive landowner on Mount Callan, Inagh parish in Clare.

There is a Powerscourt connection here locally. One of the few decent landlords in Clare during the mid-nineteenth century was Colonel Wingfield, as you are aware, the family name of the Powerscourts, and owned land near Ennistymon."

The interconnections among the early Brethren, particularly among the "Gentry", are amazing. Much more than the usual published material shows. Darby had very early connections to Rev. Daly and through this with many others - but more of that in my next mail. xxx

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Comments by Timothy Stunt - November 18, 2012
Re: Research Paper 1 - County Clare: JND in 1831

Dear Gordon

I have only just come across, on your web-site, Max Weremchuk’s Research Paper on County Clare. When I corresponded with him on this subject in August 2003, I drew his attention to a flaw in part of his paper. In his paper, after telling the story of the preservation of Edward Synge, of Dysert with whom JND had worked in County Clare, Weremchuk continues:

I recently found mention of this in the Fry MSS as well, large book, page 239 (from vol. 8, p. 26):

"After his" (Darby's) "return to Ireland Mr. Synge was shot. Darby heard of it and was so concerned. He was so poor that we helped him through it."

This is helpful in placing Darby's visit and meeting with Newton. Mr Synge was shot "Ash Wednesday in 1831" which took place - as Newton writes - after Darby returned to Ireland.

There are however problems with this deduction and they arise from Weremchuk’s having inserted between 'his' and 'return' the word (Darby’s) which is not in the original. In the interests of accuracy I make the following points as I did to Weremchuk:

In the quoted text the poor must refer to Darby and not Synge who was both wealthy and unscathed in the assassination attempt (preserved by a bible in his pocket). If Darby was ‘poor’ in his spirits and Newton and his friends were ‘helping him through it’ Darby must have been in England not Ireland.

Darby was certainly in Oxford on February 6th 1831 when he heard Bulteel’s sermon. From John Hill’s Diary we know too that he was also in Oxford for the Jews’ Society anniversary meeting on March 8

Dr Burton’s reply to Bulteel was published two days after Ash Wednesday on Friday 18th February and Darby’s reply to Burton (published in Oxford) was (according to Newton) researched in Oxford, using the Exeter College library.

It is highly likely therefore that Darby was in Oxford on Ash Wednesday.

So why does the Fry MS say “After his return to Ireland” ? In my opinion the ‘his’ is more likely to refer to Synge and not to Darby. It is quite possible that Synge had been in England – indeed he may well have been with Darby and Newton in the Plymouth area. After all, his cousin John Synge was still living at Teignmouth in Devon and was certainly sympathetic to and supportive of Bulteel during his West Country preaching tour after the Oxford sermon. [John Synge only returned to Ireland in 1832 – see my ‘John Synge and the Early Brethren’ Journal of CBRF No.28 (1976) pp. 44-5]

I readily admit that Edward’s visit to England is only conjectural but it makes better sense than Newton and friends comforting Darby when they are in England and Darby is in Ireland.

I realise that this is a very small matter, but the years 1829-32 are a very important period in JND’s spiritual development, and to understand it we need to know where he was. I have pursued some of this question in my essay “Influences in the early development of John Nelson Darby” in Crawford Gribben, Timothy C.F. Stunt [eds], Prisoners of Hope? : Aspects of Evangelical Millennialism in Britain and Ireland, 1800-1880 [Studies in Evangelical History and Thought] (Carlisle [Paternoster Press] 2004) pp. 44-68.

There is so much on your very fine web-site that I can hardly keep up with it!

With warmest good wishes, Timothy Stunt

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RESEARCH PAPER  2
Powerscourt Connections

So, here is the second instalment. The third is the more important one, but this is interesting too. I"d be thankful for any corrections and additions.

Instalment 2

Edward Pennefather knew Rev. Robert Daly - so there was this early connection to Darby, (as noted in the biography), but there is more.

I have a copy of the diary of Lady Anne Jocelyn.

This started me on my journey.

Frances Theodosia Jocelyn, Anne's sister, married Richard Wingfield Powerscourt.

The Jocelyns knew the Howards and often got together. Both families knew Robert Daly well. (Synge and Hutchinson names also appear in the diary.) Hugh Howard had 3 daughters: Isabella, Frances and Theodosia. Isabella married Granville Leveson Proby, Frances married William Hayes Parnell and Theodosia Powerscourt after the death of his first wife. (Interesting, the men are all "P's")

The following remarks within " " and in italics are from the Edward Lear site http://edwardlear.tripod.com/index.html

"John Joshua Proby, eldest son of Granville Leveson Proby, afterwards 3rd Earl of Carysfort, by his wife Isabella, daughter of Colonel the Hon. Hugh Howard, was born, with a twin sister Kitty, who died 4 years later, on April 3, 1823. The other children of his parents were: Frances (Fanny), b. 1819, d. unmarried 1863; Elizabeth Emma, b. 1821, married 1844 Lord Claud Hamilton, d. 1900; Granville, afterwards 4th Earl of Carysfort, b. 1825, d. 1872 ; Hugh, b. 1828, d. 1852; Isabella, b. 1830, d. unmarried 1866; Theodosia Gertrude, b. 1833, married 1859 W. M. Baillie, d. 1902; and William, afterwards 5th Earl of Carysfort, b. 1836, d. 1909 Their mother died in 1836 after giving birth to William.

John Joshua, though the son of a younger son, was marked out from birth as the eventual heir to the Carysfort title and estates, for William Allen Lord Proby, his father's eldest brother, had died unmarried in 1804 and John, the second brother, who was also unmarried, had become incurably insane in 1817.His early years were spent almost entirely in Ireland, at Glenart, the Irish home of the family, where his father, who had been M. P. for County Wicklow since 1816, (1) had been settled for several years, and at Bushy, the home of his maternal grandfather, the Hon. Hugh Howard which was only thirty miles away. His mother's sisters, Theodosia, (2) second wife of the 5th Viscount Powerscourt, and Frances,(3) wife of William Parnell Hayes, also lived in County Wicklow, and the Proby family paid frequent visits at Powerscourt and Avondale."

(1) "Granville Leveson Proby, 3rd Earl of Carysfort, b. 1782; joined the Navy in 1798, was present as a midshipman at the Battle of the Nile, where he was in charge of a boat sent to rescue Casabianca, and appears with Nelson and others on the Quarterdeck of the Vanguard in Orme's picture of the Battle. He was a lieutenant on H. M. S. Neptune at Trafalgar. His last command as captain was the Amelia (which had formerly been commanded by his eldest brother Williarn Allen Lord Proby) which he paid off in 1816. M.P. for Co. Wicklow 1816-1829; succeeded his brother as 3rd Earl of Carysfort in 1855; d. 1868."

These Navy connections suggest that Proby knew Sir Henry D'Esterre Darby. (The Pennefathers came from Tipperary. Did they know the Darbys near them there?) I find Proby's M.P. position to be of importance as he is mentioned as saying that "he lived amongst the Protestants of property, in the county of Wicklow, and he was enabled to say that their opinions were not adverse to the Roman Catholics" in my copy of the House of Commons meeting on March 2nd 1827 to discuss Catholic Emancipation. Proby's remarks stand in connection with the Petition from Wicklow. It was here that the famous Petition which got Darby excited was read!! (Did Darby hear of how things went through Proby?)

In "Memoir of Right Rev. Robert Daly D.D." by H. Madden pp. 73-77 there is a letter by Rev. Daly to Granville Leveson Proby"s wife.

(2) "Lady Powerscourt became a widow in 1823, the year after her marriage, and died on December 10, 1836. Her stepdaughter, Catherine Anne Wingfield, afterwards Hon. Mrs. H. E. Stuart, and her niece Catherine Parnell, afterwards Mrs. G. V. Wigram, who lived with her, were playmates of the Proby children, to whom Lady Powerscourt took the place of a mother after the death of her sister, whom she only survived by ten months. She was very prominent in evangelical circles in the Church of Ireland, but during the last few years of her life was a member of the Plymouth Brethren. Her Letters and Papers were edited in 1839 by Robert Daly, Rector of Powerscourt (afterwards Bishop of Cashel.)"

(3) "Her third son John, b. 1811, married, in 1834, Delia Stewart, daughter of Commodore Charles Stewart, U.S. Navy, and was father of Charles Stewart Parnell."

These interconnections are amazing!! I have yet to find out how Pennefather got to know Susan Darby, but all these families knew each other and had contacts with each other. Early Brethren history almost reads like a "family affair".

Proby family (Earl of Carysfort), the Howards (Earl of Wicklow), the Jocelyns (Earl of Roden). A group of "higher society" people. Darby worked among the poor and loved doing it. (In a letter he wrote the following admonition: "Care for the poor; they are often more true to their convictions than many of the rich. Seek them out when they are scattered.") All the more amazing considering his background. Darby's father received his title in the 1820s. Fellow Commoners at Trinity College were described as, among others, "sons of...social climbers". That designation would perfectly fit JND's father.

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RESEARCH PAPER  3
Legal Training

Instalment 3

This information is very important because it requires me to correct and rewrite an important section of the biography. A serious mistake on my part, but it opens up new avenues of research and may result in some very interesting conclusions.

I had always thought that Darby went from Westminster to Ireland and stayed there till after his ordination, riding accident and breaking of bread in Dublin.

I thought he was admitted to an English Inn but studied law in Dublin.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The Legal year was divided up into four terms of roughly 3 months each:

Terms: academic sessions, "eat one's terms" was to be a law student at the Inns of Court, since for many years to dine there a certain number of times was the only requirement for becoming a barrister. (Tuition was not necessarily involved.)

Hilary Term begins in January (after 1831 January 11-31)
Easter Term in March or April (after 1831 April 15 - May 8)
Trinity Term after Whitsunday/Pentecost, 50 days after Easter, (after 1831 May 22 - June 12)
(See: "What Jane Austen Ate and Charles Dickens Knew" by Daniel Pool.)

So, taking the above information I have:

Darby was admitted to King's Inns during the Trinity Term of 1815 (in May or June perhaps).

He was admitted to Dublin University (Trinity College) on July 3, 1815. While at the University he "ate his way through" King's Inns for 9 terms Then he was admitted to Lincoln's Inn on Nov. 9, 1819 (Michaelmas Term), spent 8 terms there and graduated during the Hilary Term (beginning of the year) in 1822.

It is pretty clear that Darby was slated for a career in Law from the start. He was admitted to King's Inns before he was admitted to the University. Darby did not train at King's Inns, he held his terms there (concurrently with those at the College), which did not involve more than dining in the Commons.

Darby did go to London, to Lincoln's Inn, for his legal training!

On 28 November 1821 Darby presented his petition to take a certificate that he had kept the required number of terms and to have his name taken off the books of the (Lincoln) Society - this was standard for students called to the Irish bar (to which he was called on January 21, 1821).

A further confirmation of Darby being in London for his actual legal training is that Pennefather"s name is given in JND"s King"s Inns Admission Bond, whereas William Henry Darby (his brother, who practised law and had also been at Lincoln's Inn) is mentioned in JND"s Lincoln"s Inn Admission Bond.

(A letter from William Henry Darby in 23 December, 1821, carries the address: 8 Northfolk Crescent, Bath Gloucestershire).

This changes everything!!

In his Greek Interlinear Bible Darby had written:

"[I] loved Christ, I have no doubt sincerely and growingly since June or July 1820, or 21, I forget which."

This would have been while he was in London. The possibility of influences and so on are suddenly completely different to what I had supposed previously!

Now things also make more sense. Darby also wrote:

"I think Scott's essays gave a strong determination to my thought at one time, while my mind was working upon it. I had always recognized the truths, but I am speaking of their power, for my mind had passed, after its own repentance, under the dark cloud of the popish system (i.e., to look for the powers of Christ's agency in the visible authority of the Church), though God was with me through it all. And I used to hold up Christ to my brother as availing against the claim of men on their points, yet it prevailed so far as to prevent my mind from finding com-fort in the truths I honestly urged on him, which I had found in what poor reading of Scripture I had."

Thomas Scott was still living at the beginning of Darby"s Lincolns Inn time (he died 23 April, 1821).The brother here is William Henry Darby - as I mentioned in my biography. William was involved in JND'S legal career in London. Discussions with him as to Rome must have taken place during this time.

A confirmation by B. W. Newton is also to be found in the Fry MSS (large book, p. 249, from vol. 4 p. 44-45):

"I often think he" (Darby) "was in the employ of Jesuits; his brother was a Catholic and he himself at one time was known to be on the verge of joining just before he left the Bar."

(Darby"s oath when called to the Irish Chancery Bar contained the vow to prevent the further growth of popery and his first paper - "Considerations Addressed to the Archbishop of Dublin" - is very clearly and strongly anti-Catholic. The Papacy being comparable to heathenism in his eyes.)

So, this opens up completely new fields.

What had happened in London? Through whom?

I can also now better understand W. G. Turner (anybody have more information on him?) stating in his Darby biography that Pennefather hoped Darby might "reduce the legal chaos to order". Why? Well, I have been informed, legal education was in a state of complete collapse and something of a scandal back then. Students who actually wanted to practise had to learn their law by private study, watching cases in court, working for a solicitor and so on. There was no formal education offered by the Inns.

This reminds me of Darby"s supposed "theological training" - of which there is still no evidence. Was he self-taught here as well? The Church of Ireland required candidates for the ministry to have attended the divinity lectures given by the Regius Professor of Divinity at Trinity (R. Graves for the time 1814-1819). Darby did not attend these - which is understandable, because he was intending a career in Law and was not yet converted at the time. Later, after returning to Dublin from London, the lecture attendance registers for Trinity College (1822-1823) how no references to Darby having attended undergraduate lectures.

As it stands at present, Darby was probably able to be ordained because of his general training (as in the case of Thomas Scott referred to in my biography) and his connections, e.g. Rev. Robert Daly.


From: Max S. Weremchuk
Thu, 20 Mar 2003

Hi Gordon,
I must come back to my remarks on the 'Catholic' influence on Darby with an astounding piece of information – for me at least. Others may think: So, he finally noticed.

Parallels have often been drawn between the life of John Nelson Darby and John Henry Newman:

JND was born in November 1800
JHN was born in February 1801
JND went to Trinity College, Dublin
JHN went to Trinity College, Oxford
JND was ordained deacon in 1825
JHN was ordained priest in 1825.

The connection between the two was JHN's brother FWN. Or was that the only one?

JND was admitted to Lincoln's Inn on November 9, 1819
JHN was admitted to the same Inn on November
19, 1819, 10 days later!

Apparently Ward in his 'Life of Cardinal Newman' is wrong with his June 1819 date for that.

JHN had a conversion experience in 1816. Darby's was later, in either June/July 1820 or 1821.

I find this all to be very fascinating.


From: Max S. Weremchuk
Tue, 25 Mar 2003

Hi People!
I haven't heard from any of you about my last two mails dealing with John Henry Newman and Darby. Did you get them?

My further researches show that it would have been nigh to a miracle if Darby and Newman had not met at Lincoln's Inn.

I am getting pretty excited about a lead which has turned up and which might prove to be very helpful in getting together who could have had a theological influence on Darby in the beginning.


From: Max S. Weremchuk
Sun, 30 Mar 2003

Hi Gordon,
As to my new lead: I will wait until I receive a certain book from England and have checked some points before I pass my information on.


Hi Gordon, I have not finished my studies on Darby at Lincoln's Inn yet - to the contrary, I seem to be only beginning - but as I have kept promising you material I'm sending this now as it is.

Darby was at Lincoln's Inn from 1819 to 1822.
William Warburton, the later Bishop of Gloucester, was preacher to Lincoln's Inn in 1746.

From: "A Short History of Lincoln"s Inn" Sir Gerald Hurst, K.C., Constable, London, 1946, p. 76

"In 1768 Bishop Warburton endowed a lectureship, which still bears his name, in order that the Society should have the advantage for ever of sermons "to prove the truth of revealed religion", and, in particular, "to explain prophecies in the Old and New Testament which relate to the Christian Church, especially to the apostacy of Papal Rome".

From: "The Students Guide Through Lincoln's Inn" Thomas Lane, London, 1823, pp. 27-28

"In 1768 a course of lectures, in the form of sermons, was founded by the bishop of Gloucester (Dr. Warburton), late preacher to this society, for proving the truth of the Christian religion from the completion of the prophecies in the Old and New Testament. These lectures continue to be regularly delivered , pursuant to the direction of the founder, on the first Sunday after Michaelmas term [ended November 28] and the Sunday immediately before and after Hilary term.* [began 23 January, ended 12 February]

A preacher and chaplain are appointed by the society; and divine service is re"gularly performed here on Sundays, as well as on the usual days appointed by the church.

*The first person who preached the Warburton lec"tures was Bishop Hurd, who was succeeded in this duty by Halifax bishop of Exeter, Bagot bishop of St. Asaph, Dr. Aptborpe, Dr. Nicholson, Dr. Layard, the rev. Richard Nares, Dr. Pearson, the rev. Philip Allwood, rev. John Davison, and the present lecturer, the rev. Thomas Reynell."

Looking at the list of books from Darby's library which were auctioned after his death the following is among them:

Warburton (Bp.) Works, with Life by Bp. Hurd, 12 vol. portrait 1811

Hurd Letters to Hurd, portraits 1809

Hurd Tracts 1789

Hurd Unpublished Papers, by Kilvert, plates 1841

Apparently these works were of interest to Darby.

John Davison (1777-1834), mentioned above, was the Lecturer for the time period from 1819 to 1823 - covering the time Darby was at Lincoln's Inn. His lectures were published as "Discourses on Prophecy; Its Structure, Use and Inspiration". (This volume is not in the Darby Library list - which does not mean Darby did not have it. Not all his volumes were offered for auction. Spurgeon has this volume in his list of Commentaries.)

If my calculations are correct, the Lectures relevant to Darby's time at Linlcon's Inn would have been:

1819: 21 November

1820: 16 January, 13 February, 26 November

1821: 21 January, 18 February, 25 November

1822: 20 January

Did Darby attend? Did they have any influence?

(I have just recently obtained a copy of Davison's book and still need to read it. Skimming through it there definitely are points that could have been a stimulus. "Dispensations" reoccurs often enough. But at this time prophecy was not of such importance to Darby as questions regarding salvation and Rome were. For many years Darby held the "standard" view. Only later did prophecy become prominent when he began to develop his own views.

For this reason I am very reluctant to place any great weight on Darby's time at Trinity College and any influences he might have had while there. - I have been able to find out that he did NOT attend the divinity lectures! - While at Trinity Darby was still an unbeliever. He came to saving faith while in London. The years immediately following this give no indication of anything near a pre-trib-rapture in his thoughts.

In the past I had considered Francis Newman's comments on the end times in his well known description of Darby in "Phases of Faith" as being his own false interpretation - but very probably Newman (strongly influenced by Darby) WAS giving Darby's view as it was then. My conviction is becoming stronger that looking for direct influences for Darby's "rapture" view is futile. Darby was reacting to many of the views surrounding him. They may have given him impulses, but more in the sense that he developed his views in reaction to them. When Bellett returned to Dublin all excited with new insights Darby reacted to it by saying he had his own. Ones developed BEFORE Bellett returned.)

The Chaplain during Darby's time at Lincoln's Inn was William Walker. The Preacher was Charles Lloyd (from June 1819 to February 1822, later Bishop of Oxford). Did any of these men influence Darby?

After Darby converted he struggled with the attractions of the Roman Church. He went through trials that John Henry Newman (enrolled at Lincoln's Inn 10 days after Darby) would go through years later.

The following quotes are from Darby's "Analysis of Dr. Newman"s Apologia pro vita sua: With a Glance at the History of Popes, Councils, and the Church" in Collected Writings 18. Darby says of the struggles Newman experienced:

"In many things I agree; many of his thoughts I have gone over in my own mind." (p. 158)

(Darby uses similar language when reviewing John Henry Newman's brother Francis' book "Phases of Faith.": "for I also have had my 'phases of faith'", CW6:27. Though going through experiences similar to those of the Newman brothers Darby came to very different conclusions. The "Catholic" period in Darby's life is something I am working on as an extra item.)

What is of interest here are the two following remarks by Darby: "I looked for the church. Not having peace in my soul, nor knowing yet where peace is, I too, governed by a morbid imagination, thought much of Rome, and its professed sanctity, and catholicity, and antiquity - not of the possession of divine truth and of Christ myself. Protestantism met none of these feelings, and I was rather a bore to my clergyman by acting on the rubrics. I looked out for something more like reverend antiquity. I was really much in Dr. Newman's state of mind." (p. 145) "I fasted in Lent so as to be weak in body at the end of it; ate no meat on week days"nothing till evening on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays, then a little bread or nothing; observed strictly the weekly fasts, too. I went to my clergyman always if I wished to take the sacrament, that he might judge of the matter. I held apostolic succession fully, and the channels of grace to be there only. I held thus Luther and Calvin and their followers to be outside. I was not their judge, but I left them to the uncovenanted mercies of God. I searched with earnest diligence into the evidences of apostolic succession in England, and just saved their validity for myself and my conscience. The union of church and state I held to be Babylonish, that the church ought to govern itself, and that she was in bondage but was the church." (p. 156)

Who was this clergyman? (A number of possibilities have turned up and I am following up the names I have in the hope of being able to find out more. This will probably take some time.)

Taking some of the above remarks and comparing them with others it seems to be that Darby, though rightly termed a "High Churchman" during this period in his life, was not a fully convinced Anglican. It was the best he could find at the time. This would also explain his remarks that "I was induced to be ordained." "I did not feel drawn to take up a regular post." He did it reluctantly because it seemed the best thing to do. That he was fully devoted to his work once ordained is something else altogether.

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Calary

I know I promised you something new on Darby and the Lincoln's Inn connection. Well, I still haven't received the information I need - so this will have to wait a bit. The following will probably more than compensate for it though.

John Nelson Darby was a curate in Calary from 1825 to about 1829. Calary was not a separate charge until Darby left. Powerscourt, Delgany and other parishes then contributed areas to Calary. Before that the curate from Delgany would take care of Calary.

Do you know who that was for the time period 1817 to 1820? Well, believe it or not, Darby's older brother Christopher L. Darby!

While active as a curate JND had to do with Rev. Robert Daly, but also with Rev. William Cleaver. More connections to the past! Cleaver had attended Westminster Public School as well! He was of course there much earlier than JND, but closer in time to JND's older brothers.

Here is a small comparison:

William Cleaver was born 24 March 1789
he was a King's Scholar at Westminster in 1803
matriculated Christ Church Oxford in 1807
B.A. 1812
M.A. 1813
Rector of Delgany from 1819 to 1837

William Henry Darby was born 1790
left Westminster in 1805
matriculated Christ Church Oxford in 1811
B.A. 1813
M.A. 1818

Christopher L. Darby was born 9 February 1793
he was a King's Scholar at Westminster in 1806
matriculated Christ Church Oxford in 1811
B.A. 1815
M.A. 1826
Curate in Delgany from 1817 to 1820

Back in 1983 Canon Empey gave me information on Christopher Darby, but it dealt mainly with his time after coming to Kilkenny. He was ordained deacon in 1815, was Rector of Killenaule from 1822 to 1874 and Vicar of Kells from 1828 to 1874. So there was a definite gap. His time at Calary fills some of it.

Maybe J. N. Darby's being "induced" to be ordained and being advised by others "more advanced" than himself in the "Christian world" and his wanting to "get round amongst the poor Catholics of Ireland" - as he himself said - was not so much Rev. Robert Daly's influence as it was his brother's? Especially as he was responsible for looking after the Calary area his brother JND would be curate of years later. Or Cleaver"s? or all in some way together?

Well, it seems that interconnections go much further than the Howard, Proby, Powerscourt, etc. ones.

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Cleaver Letter

I'll be sending you some Lincoln's Inn material within the next few days (along with some insights on Darby's early attraction to the Roman Catholic Church). For now here some thoughts on the William Cleaver letter.

William Cleaver

I disagree with Timothy Stunt's remarks on JND's uncertainty for so long after his accident. I cannot share his suspicion of Darby's remarks made in later life about the early years. Actually I have discovered an amazing consistency in these remarks - taken from various decades in his life. Darby himself explains the uncertainty Stunt writes about. Namely his knowing or being convinced of certain things but out of fear and weakness not taking an open stand for them. If he was uncertain it was not about his ideas, but rather about their effect when made public.

In the "Darby Collection" there is a letter to Darby probably from Rev. William Cleaver. In his book Stunt suggests a date of 1828 for this letter - as proof of Darby being active in the Church again after his accident. In it "Cleaver" is asking Darby to visit a family who want to conform.

From all I know of Darby, I can't imagine him actively getting people to join the Established Church after the "insights" he gained while recuperating from his accident.

I have had the original letter in question in my possession. There is no year given. Only: April 9th. In pencil someone has added 1826. This year seems more correct. Agrees more with the contents of the letter.

There is also the letter from "Captain Rock" dated February 2, 1829 and the farewell letter from Darby's parishioners dated March 28, 1829. These two seem to confirm the change in Darby AFTER his accident. What would he otherwise be doing in County Clare, obviously working in an evangelistic way - that's why the threat - far away from the parish and people he was actually responsible for as a clergyman? Simple answer: he wasn't one any more. The parishioner letter fits in well here - not the letter from Cleaver!!

If Darby left the Establishment some time after his accident and went to County Clare in February 1829 (to visit Synge or Vaughan relatives?) his getting a farewell letter in March from his parishioners makes sense. What doesn't make sense is getting a letter in April 1828 from Cleaver (from Delgany) asking him - obviously as a curate of the Established Church - to visit people every day for a week to help them conform!! Stunt's dating of this letter must be wrong. I would place it before his riding accident. What do you think?


Well I now have information to confirm the year of the Cleaver letter to Darby in which he asks Darby to be of assistance in helping the Sheridan family conform. 1826 was too early, but it was before his riding accident! It took place in April of 1827.

The letter carries the date April 9 and Cleaver writes:

"There are two persons at Windgates, Sheridan & his wife, who have expressed themselves desirous to conform. I have only seen Sheridan once myself upon the subject. Mr. Ball however has seen him - and I have begged Manning to pay every attention to him in his power. But you would greatly oblige me, by having man & wife together - would it be too much to say - every day during the present week - I know not whether they would be prepared to make a public profession next Sunday - But what makes me feel the more anxious to have the benefit of your instruction for them is that I cannot but feel that the change which they are contemplating affords a choice opportunity for presenting Christianity to them in all its importance & power. I will be guided by you, whether or no to postpone their public profession beyond next Sunday."

A historian from County Wicklow wrote to me yesterday and said:

"Sheridan, I can tell you that he did conform ... Thomas Sheridan of Windgates, Anne his wife and 2 children conformed on 22 April 1827 which was the Sunday after the one which they tried to get them to make the public profession (15 April)."

So, that is one small piece of the puzzle solved. What is interesting is the fact that Darby kept this particular letter a lifelong

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Early Views

From: Max Weremchk
Sun, 16 Jun 2003

Dear Gordon,
I realise that you are familiar with most of the material below, but for the sake of completeness I have gone into detail. Please bear with me to the end. I would greatly appreciate your comments! Max

There was so much going on in the field of prophecy and the future of the Jews before Darby became really interested in it. I would need real hard evidence first before I could accept the idea that Darby was influenced while at Trinity College through Graves (or others). Even his time at Lincoln's Inn is too early, regardless of whom he might have heard or read there. After his conversion and up till is deliverance while recuperating from his riding accident questions on prophecy did not seem to have played any major role. He was NOT struggling with questions as to the future during this time. He was struggling with his own sinfulness and lack of assurance of salvation as well as the attractions of the Roman Church and the demands of tradition and antiquity.

Bellett and others were more involved or interested in prophetic questions. Bellett returned to Ireland from England (in 1828 and after Darby's accident) and was all excited about what he had heard there. Darby, in his report of the incident, reacts to Bellett's enthusiasm with: "I have it" (that is: without your influence).

Bellett's version is different. He simply says, Darby was ready for such thoughts. Contrast Bellett's reaction to Grove's comments on meeting as Christians with this one. In Grove's case it made a deep impression on Bellett, but not here. If Darby really gained the insight into prophecy at the time he implies, why was Bellett not more impressed? Why does Bellett simply say: "Full of this subject as I was, I found him quite prepared for it also, and his mind and soul had travelled rapidly in the direction which had thus been given to it." He does NOT say: Darby had the answer. By "given to it" Bellett probably means through his previous letters to Darby, but he also states that they - he and Darby - had "never yet talked of" these things before though he had often visited him in "his mountain parish". So prophecy really does not seem to have played a major role in Darby's thoughts at the time. Everybody else was full of the subject, but he wasn't!

From 1820/21 to 1827/28 Darby held "traditional" views on prophecy. During this time things were "happening" in the Christian world, but without apparent affect in his case. There was Lewis Way's "Latter Rain" (1821); George Stanley Faber's "On the Peculiar Genius of the Three Dispensations" (1822) - (Darby had other volumes of Faber's in his library); Drummond's "Dialogues in Prophecy"; Edward Iriving's "The Coming of the Messiah" (1826) and so on.

The Jews, their restoration, a different future for them than the Church, coming judgement, irrecoverable ruin - all this was up in the air at the time.

Darby's remark dated April 1827 in his notebook is of great interest: "The Lord, whose I am, and whom I serve, give grace to the least and unworthiest of His servants to minister to His glory in all the wisdom of the righteousness of the saints, gathering fruit unto His glory, which He has sown, and to obtain a place in the many mansions of His Father's house, through grace. Oh! for His appearing. Yet I know the love which causes Him to bear long." N&C7:261

(This early attitude is confirmed by him much later in N&J:99: "Before ever I knew about the Lord's coming, I think I loved His appearing. I knew nothing about the doctrine, but the principle of loving His appearing was in my mind, though I could not define it. I do not talk now of the rapture, though it is most blessed to get that, too. What I delight in, is Christ's coming and setting aside the whole thing I am in.")

Darby wrote that the time of his recuperation was one of greatest importance:

"I am daily more struck with the connection of the great principles on which my mind was exercised by and with God, when I found salvation and peace, and the questions agitated and agitating the world at the present day: the absolute, divine authority and certainty of the Word, as a divine link between us and God, if everything (church and world) went; personal assurance of salvation in a new condition by being in Christ; the church as His body; Christ coming to receive us to Himself; and collaterally with that, the setting up of a new earthly dispensation, from Isaiah 32 (more particularly the end); all this was when laid aside at E.P.'s in 1827; the house character of the assembly on earth (not the fact of the presence of the Spirit) was subsequently. It was a vague fact which received form in my mind long after, that there must be a wholly new order of things, if God was to have His way, and the craving of the heart after it I had felt long before;" Letters 1:344

Important is his remark:
"It was a vague fact which received form in my mind long after, that there must be a wholly new order of things, if God was to have His way,". . . because this actually applies to his view on the Lord's Coming. If we compare the above with the text below

"But I must, though without comment, direct attention to chapter 32 of the same prophet (Isaiah); which I do the rather, because it was in this the Lord was pleased, without man's teaching," no help from Bellett here - "first to open my eyes on this subject, that I might learn His will concerning it throughout - not by the first blessed truths stated in it, but the latter part, when there shall be a complete change in the dispensation, the wilderness becoming the fruitful field of God's fruit and glory, and that which had been so, being counted a forest, at a time when-the Lord's judgments should come down, even great hail, upon this forest; and the city, even of pride, be utterly abased. That the Spirit's pouring out upon the Jews, and their substitution for the Gentile church, become a forest, is here adverted to, is evident from the connection of the previous verses." CW7:108

one could come to the conclusion that all these insights as to a "wholly new order of things" happened in 1827 (or early 1828) while he was at the Pennefathers. But Darby writes of the need for a wholly new order of things taking form in his mind "long after". The "vague fact" of a change being necessary cannot at the same time be a "I have it" in the complete sense that implies.

Francis Newman came to know Darby at this important period in his spiritual life. Darby exerted a strong influence on him, moulded his thoughts and views. But Newman's description of prophetic expectations - obviously Darby"s - doesn't fit together with Darby's claimed insights at this time. They are "classic" - not radically (pre-trib like) new. ". . .if in five and thirty years the Lord descended from heaven, snatched up all his saints to meet him, and burned to ashes all the works of the earth?" (Phases of Faith, p. 22)

No pre-trib here.

Darby"s remarks:

"the absolute, divine authority and certainty of the Word, as a divine link between us and God, if everything (church and world) went; personal assurance of salvation in a new condition by being in Christ; the church as His body; Christ coming to receive us to Himself;" clearly and accurately give what he was going through at the time, but: "and collaterally with that, the setting up of a new earthly dispensation, from Isaiah 32 (more particularly the end); all this was when laid aside at E.P.'s in 1827"

must have been AFTER his time at E.P.'s. "Collaterally" is correct as it was a development or result of what went before - just the timing is off. Darby retained classic views much longer than some would like to believe. Benjamin Willis Newton wrote repeatedly of Darby writing he had come up with a solution AFTER he had returned to Ireland from Oxford where he had met Newton. When Darby and Newton first met they went through Matthew 24 together and could not make head nor tail of it. Darby's earliest papers, also those dealing with prophecy (in which he also quotes from Irving) do not support any pre-trib rapture views. (Roy Huebner is very wrong in trying to prove such an early date for them.) For this reason I feel it is unwise to look for major or direct influences on Darby's prophetic views before 1828. It seems as if all the excitement others were demonstrating as to prophetic subjects at the time by-passed him because he was pre-occupied. Of course he could have heard and read many things before his accident, he could have heard from Richard Graves' views through Joseph Singer (with whom he had contact after returning to Ireland in the 1820s), he could have read Irving (he certainly did later) and others, but they do not appear to have affected him much at the time. I still feel his final Church/Israel distinction and pre-trib rapture views were a reaction, a sought for alternative, almost as if he tried to be "original".

Darby struggled with the claims of the Law for seven years, but he also struggled with the claims of the Church. His High Churchmanship is evidence of that. The demands he felt this placed on him almost drove him to despair and he sought an outlet for his conscience through the way he practised his "religion" at the time. Was he not trying to drown the voice of his conscience through all his dedication and activity? He gave up Rome and fasting* while still at Lincoln's Inn because both did not provide what he needed - but he was far from deliverance. The Church of England seems to just barely have convinced him: "I searched with earnest diligence into the evidences of apostolic succession in England, and just saved their validity for myself and my conscience." CW18:156

His realising himself to be one in Christ brought real deliverance. But was not the resulting emphasis on the "spiritual" an escape hatch? Could not now all elements dealing with tradition and ritual - which had troubled him so - be ignored and conveniently pushed into the sphere of "earthly Israel"?

Why were others who worked with Darby during his time as a clergyman not driven by the same despair as he? Why did they continue on? And that with obvious success and blessing?

Was not Darby's "solution" a very personal one? One he then applied to the Church at large? Not as a possibility, but as a demand!

Considering his own remarks that the appearing had been so important to him in the past his remarks below are most harsh:

"He who awaits Christ's appearing, as the time in which he is to go to be with Him, has denied the proper hope and proper relationship of the church with Christ. On this point there can be no compromise. Ignorance of privilege is one thing (it is our lot, all of us, in one shape or other), the denial of it another. When once we have seen that we are to appear with Christ, and that, consequently, our hope of Christ's coming for us is not properly His appearing, all our habits of thought and our spiritual affections are changed." CW7:154

The "all our habits of thought and our spiritual affections are changed" applied very well to him personally, because it brought deliverance from demands which had almost crushed him. But what about others who never felt the same way? Never had the same struggle? Were actually happy in what they did?

Darby struggled many years to come to a conclusion which finally brought him peace. But then he went and made this a requirement of all other believers! This became the standard he used to judge the "true" spirituality and devotedness of other Christians!

*Newman, in "Phases of Faith", says that Darby did not fast on purpose. So that period of asceticism in his life was over by the time Newman met him. But I feel that it was over, in its extreme form, long before that. It seems to have been connected with his Roman Catholic phase, or his attraction to that Church.

"I would guard this part of what I say. I still think fasting a useful thing in its place, if spiritually used. I still think there were sacramental ordinances instituted. . .What saved me then, I think, from being a Romanist was the ninth and tenth of Hebrews. I could not for priesthood, which I believed in, practically give up our great High Priest and His work. What delivered me from this whole system was the truth. The word of God had its own, its divine, authority over my soul, and maintained it through grace. I was looking for the true church honestly but in the dark." CW18:156

(The Word of God having "its own, its divine, authority over" his soul is not the same thing as years later when he could write of his 1827/28 experience to Prof. Tholuck: "An accident happened which laid me aside for a time; my horse was frightened and had thrown me against a door-post. During my solitude conflicting thoughts increased; but much exercise of soul had the effect of causing the scriptures to gain complete ascendancy over me. I had always owned them to be the word of God."

That he had always "owned them to be the Word of God" corresponds to their having their own, divine, authority over him, but not yet a "complete ascendancy". At the time of his deliverance from the attractions of Rome while at Lincoln's Inn the Word was still somehow connected with the authority of the external Church. Note his remark "the Church. . .yet had certain traditional power over me" in the quote below:

"I add that at the same period in which I was brought to liberty and to believe, with divinely given faith, in the presence of the Holy Spirit- 1827/28 - I passed through the deepest possible exercise as to the authority of the word: whether if the world and the Church (that is, as an external thing, for it yet had certain traditional power over me as such) disappeared and were annihilated, and the word of God alone remained as an invisible thread over the abyss, my soul would trust in it. After deep exercise of soul I was brought by grace to feel I could entirely. I never found it fail me since. I have often failed; but I never found it failed me." CW1:38)

"The principle of which you speak in the postscript of your letter, is monasticism, where that is sincere. I gave way to it at the beginning of my conversion. I said to myself, If I fast two days, three would be better, seven better still. Then that would not do to go on, but I pursued the system long enough. It led to nothing, except the discovery of one's own powerlessness." Letters2:429

"I used once to fast in that way myself. On Wednesdays, and Fridays, and Saturdays I did not eat anything at all, but on the other days I did eat a little bread. I said, If I fast three days I can fast four, and if four, five, and if five, better six, and if six, better seven; and what then? I had better die. Thus there was something that made it impossible to go through with the thing. I went on with it, but God delivered me." CW27:91 Though Darby writes "I pursued the system long enough" this does not imply years. His writing "I went on with it, but God delivered me" does not imply at his deliverance in 1827/28. For me it seems clear that Darby's attraction to Rome and his overdoing it in the area of asceticism were connected. It could be that the fasting lasted longer than his attraction to Rome, but his remark "I had better die" does not appear to me to justify thinking he continued this practice for years and even on to the time he was a clergyman. That he DID practice a milder form of asceticism is clear from other remarks Darby makes and not the question here.

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Dates, etc.

Darby came to Oxford in 1830.

He writes of this himself: "Two years later (1830), I went to Cambridge and Oxford. In this latter place, some persons who are still engaged in the work, shared my convictions, and felt that the relation of the church to Christ ought to be that of a faithful spouse". (L3:301)

In "Recollections" he writes: "It was subsequently after July 1830 I went to Oxford (where Wigram was at Queen's) and joined him and Jarrett and thence went to Plymouth". . .

He is wrong here, it was before July that he went to Oxford.

From compiling Benjamin W. Newton's various references to his first and second meeting with Darby (on two consecutive days) from the Fry MS we get the following:

Francis Newman came and told Newton Darby was in Oxford and he should come to meet him (Fry:235, 239, 240, 241) Newton went reluctantly and held himself in the background, but opened up towards Darby during the evening. Darby was a guest of the Vice Principal of St. Edmund's Hall (Fry:239), this was John Hill. Timothy Stunt refers to Hill meeting Darby in "From Awakening to Secession" p. 218, mentioning the Hill's diaries. I do not have access to these or copies of them, but the date Stunt gives for the diary reference in connection with Darby is May 26 to June 6, 1830. So Newton's meeting with Darby must have taken place about that time.

Because Newton was so impressed with Darby he asked him to visit him the next day, which he did (Fry: 236, 240, 241, 245, 249). This was the second meeting. Newton had some important questions which Darby answered to his satisfaction. (Would Darby preach the Gospel to sinners as sinners? What did he think about Matthew 24?) Apparently they looked at Matthew 24 together, but could not answer all open questions to their own satisfaction. (This is important for later.) Newton claimed that at that time they both agreed on 24:15 referring to the destruction of the temple under Titus.

Darby left the next day for London.

Three weeks after that -- so roughly somewhere between 15 May and 27 June -- Newman came to Newton with a letter about spiritual gifts in Scotland (Fry:234, 236). Newton wrote to Darby (in London) and asked him to look into things. Which he did. Darby's own statement in CW6:284 being: "Yet he [the 'Irish clergyman'] went rather as deputed for others than for himself."

According to Newton he stayed in Scotland for three weeks.

Newton's letter from Plymouth, not Oxford, to Wigram in Scotland asking him to look into things as well, is dated July 31, 1830 (Fry:264). At the time Newton had not yet heard Darby's report of events there. All of this a very rough dating and I do not know when Darby received Newton's request to go and if he left immediately, but given the above information, Darby's stay in Scotland would have been in July 1830.

As a further point of interest: the following seems to confirm that Darby returned to Oxford from his visit to Scotland:

Fry:237 Darby had been most cautious, not giving us an opinion. [about the happenings in Scotland] But what decided him on the spot was that when those who were inspired were expounding prophetic Scriptures, such as those in Isaiah, respecting Israel and Jerusalem they explained them as being prophetic of Christian Churches of this dispensation. That determined me too. I had just then been writing a "Report" for the meeting of the Jews Society.

Fry:208 He [Darby] came into my room at Oxford as I was writing, and asked what it was. It was a report for the Jew"s society to be read at the forthcoming meeting. I was the Secretary. I asked Darby to help me by suggesting what I should say. He answered "Say that we can take as our words and embody in our experiences all the spiritual blessings and experiences of the Israelitisch saints." So you see he was right enough then; but he afterwards withdrew from that and said very differently.

Fry: 233 As a result of these meetings in London a Jewish Conversion Society was framed and I was the Secretary of that at Oxford. Once while I was writing out the "Report" Mr. Darby called, and asked what it was. I told him and gave it him to read, inviting any suggestion. He advised me to add that "All the expressions of Israel"s realized blessings then are equally now expressions of our confidence." That shows clearly enough what his mind then was.

Fry: 210 One of the first things [John Henry] Newman published in Oxford said that Zion and Israel had forfeited all their blessings both spiritual and temporal; they belong to the Gentile church both Roman and Anglican, Zion being cut off. This was just after, and in reply to, a Report that I had published of the Jew"s Society in Oxford which stated that we Gentile Christians forestall the spiritual blessings of Israel.

I am still trying to get information on Newton's report and John Henry Newman's publication. The following fits the thoughts Newton mentions in Newman's case, but the date doesn't match, viz. May 20 & 27, 1838.

Parochial Sermons, volume7, Sermon 12:The Gospel Feast, p.167

[Deut. xxxii. 13; xxxiii. 13-15.] These were present real blessings. What has He given us? -- nothing in possession? all> in promise? This, I say, is in itself not likely; it is not likely that He should so reverse His system, and make the Gospel inferior to the Law. But the knowledge of the great gift under consideration clears up this perplexity; for every passage in the Old Testament which speaks of the temporal blessings given by God to His ancient people, instead of conveying to us a painful sense of destitution, and exciting our jealousy, reminds us of our greater blessedness; for every passage which belongs to them is fulfilled now in a higher sense to us. We have no need to envy them. God did not take away their blessings, without giving us greater. The Law was not so much taken away, as the Gospel given. The Gospel supplanted the Law. The Law went out by the Gospel's coming in. Only our blessings are not seen; therefore they are higher, because they are unseen. Higher blessings could not be visible. How could spiritual blessings be visible ones?

When did Darby return to Ireland? Newton writes in Fry:239:

"Darby stayed in Ireland some time, three or four months and came back to Oxford just as Bulteel was leaving the Anglican Church."

Bulteel's sermon was preached on 6 February, 1831. So he was back in Oxford by then at the latest. At the latest, because Darby's letter to the Christian Herald in CW2:42 is dated Plymouth, Jan. 13, 1831. So Darby would have been in Ireland roughly from September 1830 to January 1831.

There is a reference to Darby's whereabouts in the Fry MS that doesn't square with the facts. Newton writes (Fry:239):

After his [Darby's] return to Ireland Mr Synge was shot. Darby heard of it and was so concerned. He was so poor that we helped him through it.

Edward Synge was shot at on Ash Wednesday, February 16, 1831. Darby was in England at this time, which "Darby heard of it" underlines, viz. he was apparently not there when it happened. Not having the originals I cannot say, but could "After his return to Ireland" maybe more correctly read "After his return from Ireland"?

Who does Newton mean when he writes "he was so poor"? Darby or Synge? Synge was apparently not poor, but wealthy.

"The character of Mr. Synge is so well known to every person as to render it needless for us to make more than a passing observation. In possession of ample income, his charities, we may say, were unbounded." The Clare Journal, Thursday February 17, 1831

Or does he mean "poor" in a non-material sense here? Is maybe helping Darby through the hard time of his "concern" for Synge the meaning? Edward Synge obviously meant a lot to Darby and I am presently involved in trying to get more information about him. He has been described as having a "new creed of biblical fundamentalism . . .equally distant from protestant and catholic"; "he expressed the opinion that being a member of any institutional church, whether protestant or catholic, was inconsequential in comparison to reading the bible." His religious views where apparently formed in 1823! My other research has shown that Edward Synge and Darby knew and worked with each other at least as early as February 1829. Did Synge influence Darby's ecclesiastical views in any way?

There is also a conflict in Newton's account regarding the time when he came to his insight that Matthew 24 was dealing with something yet future. He places this as before meeting with Darby in one account (namely after getting together with Newman while he was on a visit in Oxford in 1828 Fry:241) and in others after meeting Darby (Fry:242). The more correct time would appear to be after he met Darby, because when they did meet both were still unclear on Matthew 24.

242: Darby came to my rooms at Oxford one day and we read Matthew 24 together, but neither of us understood it a bit. [This must have been the day after first meeting each other together with Francis Newman and John Hill. See Fry:239.] We couldn"t go right through it; and after some careful and attentive study I gave up the whole subject, laid it aside for 18 months as hopeless to expect any good. Then, 18 months after, I called on a friend. . .

Given the rough date of Darby and Newton's first meeting in May/June 1830 plus 18 months we have November or December 1831. Darby would have been in Ireland at that time. This would confirm Newton's writing "when he -- Darby -- came back" in the quote below:

Fry:245-246 When Darby came on the scene, in my first interview [Which was their second meeting in Newton's rooms and not at Newman's place.] I asked him "Do you preach the Gospel to sinners as sinners and not merely as something for the elect?" And his answer satisfied me. For some while after I had met DeBurgh"s book on prophetic subjects, I lost sight of Darby: he was in Ireland. [Newton skips over the entire Scotland episode here which obviously took place shortly after Darby's first visit to Oxford and before returning to Ireland.] But when he came back [possibly in January 1831?] I asked him about the Immediate Coming, and he would not decide either way. I argued with him that it couldn"t possibly be sinful to hope for the Lord"s return in the way that evidently Paul hoped for it --namely with intervening events. -- He wouldn"t decide. --

[Darby was later preoccupied in Oxford with writing his paper on the Reformation: THE DOCTRINE OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND AT THE TIME OF THE REFORMATION, OF THE REFORMATION ITSELF, OF SCRIPTURE, AND OF THE CHURCH OF ROME, BRIEFLY COMPARED WITH THE REMARKS OF THE REGIUS PROFESSOR OF DIVINITY (CW3)

"What did Darby do? Why he went to our College library and looked up all the foolish and repulsive things that the Reformers had said in favour of Calvinsim. And when the Laudian controversy came, they used it. Dr. Burton wrote to me kindly asking if I could tell him who wrote it. I said yes, it was an Irish clergyman who was not a member of the University." (Fry:240)]

Two years passed, [January1833?] and he wrote from Ireland saying that he had a scheme of interpretation now which would explain everything and bring all into harmony. And he would tell what it was when he came. When we met I inquired, and it was this elimination of all that could be considered Jewish. I warmly remonstrated.

238: At last Darby wrote from Cork saying he had discovered a method of reconciling the whole dispute, and would tell us when he came. When he did, it turned out to be the "Jewish interpretation." The Gospel of Matthew was not teaching Church-Truth but Kingdom-Truth and so on. He explained it to me and I said "Darby, if you admit that distinction you virtually give up Christianity." Well they kept on at that until they worked out the result as we know it. The "Secret Rapture" was bad enough but this was worse.

When asked, when Darby wrote the Letter from Cork, Newton replied 1832 or 1833 (Fry:239). Using my calculations above 1833 seems to be the right date. William Kelly refers to Newton telling him that Darby had written a letter to him in which he mentioned Thomas Tweedy suggesting 2 Thess. 2:1-2 as a help in understanding the rapture (in the article "The Rapture of the Saints: who suggested it, or rather on What Scripture?"). In "B. W. Newton and Dr. S. P. Tregelles. Teachers of the Faith and the Future" edited by G. H. Fromow p. 41 we read:

"About the year 1833, an Anglican Missionary came from London to Dublin, and was admitted into this circle. He told them that, while the first fourteen verses of that chapter (Matt. 24) were Christian, the remaining portion was "Jewish," and that, although Jewish believers might be guided by that Scripture, after the Church had been taken up to meet the Lord, it had nothing to do with the Church in the present age. Said he, "We have found the key never discovered before.""

Could this have been Tweedy?

Would this not have been the "clue" Darby still needed to come to the conclusion of the "Jewish interpretation"? I would not be surprised if Darby at sometime thought of a partial rapture -- as appears in Margaret MacDonald. Could this be what the "secret rapture" meant? The help Darby received from Tweedy and thus resulting in his "Jewish interpretation" led to the now well-known "Brethren" view of the rapture.

As I referred to in a previous paper, Darby's prophetic understanding in the early years is not clear at all! Of course many seek to read back into his early statements insights gained later (Darby does that himself as to the 1827/28 experience), but this is not honest research. Comments in the early papers are noT clear and his real standpoint is hard to ascertain -- maybe for the very simple reason that he himself did not yet have one he could defend with the conviction evidenced in his later years.

Reading Darby's early papers and letters dealing with prophetic subjects I get the strong impression much is still experimental. Almost as if he were jockeying for a position. Of course there are points where he is firm and things he sees as mistakes or errors in other expositors, but it doesn"t seem that he has a complete concept. They are loose points here and there. This is not in any sense negative when one considers that it was still a phase of development and consolidation, but this fact must be honestly recognised by such who say Darby's prophetic scheme came into existence full-blown. I feel that Darby did have definite views on some particular aspects of prophecy, but there was much he was unsure of. His interaction with others, often in way of critique, helped define his own position -- and that took time!

In his well known letter to J. McAllister J.G. Bellett writes:

"In the year 1834 many more were added and in that year J.N.D. being in Dublin, it was a question with him whether he should come and help us at Aungier Street as God might give him grace, or preach as he had been invited to do at the Asylum in Lessor Street. He was all but detached from the Church of England. He visited different places either that year or the next, among them Oxford, Plymouth, Cork and Limerick, ministering wherever he might the truth that God had given him from His word; and I doubt not, from what I remember, that he found in all these places evidences of the same independent work of the Spirit of God in the hearts and consciences of the saints. In Limerick and Cork he occasionally preached in the pulpits of the Established Church."

I really don't always want to be picking on poor Bellett, but maybe his 1834 year is off here - as he usually is by a year. I have been able to find out what "the Asylum in Lessor Street" was (see * below) and maybe some records could be obtained from there to help determine the exact year. Of course Darby would have been in Cork many times, but would not the possibility of his "being in Dublin" and meeting Tweedy and then going to Cork, as Bellett says, and writing Newton from there?


* Timothy Stunt sometime back asked about some items in Bellett"s letter to J. McAllister regarding Darby"s invitation to preach at the Asylum in Lessor Street. Well Timothy is probably right in his assumption that it should be Leeson Street. I could find no Lemon or Lessor Street.

In "Dublin Street Names: Dated and Explained ", by C. T. M'Cready (1892), there is the following:

"Leeson's-walk. 1756. -str. 1765. -yd. 1766. -pk. 1860. From Joseph Leeson (cr. Earl of Milltown, 1763), who in 1735 leased part of his garden, near S. Stephen's-green. [Haliday, '93.] In 1756, the south side of S. Stephen's-green, q.v., is called Leeson's-walk. In 1728, Leeson-str. lr. is strangely called (probably by a mis-print) Suesy-str. in Brooking's map."

Fitzwilliam Street and Pembroke Street run parallel to each other from (on a map) top right to down left into Leeson Street (south of Fitzwilliam Square) which runs from top left to down right.

In "An Historical Guide to the City of Dublin", by G. N. Wright (1825) I have found:

"The Magdalen Asylum -- is a brick building in Leeson-street, near Stephen's street: this institution, the first of the kind in Dublin, was founded by Lady Arabella Denny, and was opened June 11, 1766. Its objects are the protection and subsequent reformation of deserted females, who having at first departed from the paths of virtue, have become disgusted with vice, and seek the means of qualifying themselves once more to associate with moral society.

Its means of support are, the interest of 2,000l. raised originally by voluntary subscriptions, the collection of the annual charity-sermon, and the Sunday collections of the chapel. The produce of the penitents' labour is partly bestowed upon them, as an incentive to industry, and a part is reserved for donations upon their being restored to moral habits, and permitted to quit the asylum.

The chapel is capable of containing upwards of 600 persons, and is always crowded by the most respectable classes; consequently, the collections are considerable, probably amounting to 500l. per annum. Among other causes this is to be attributed to the eloquence and popularity of the preacher."

This is very probably the street, Leeson, and the Asylum.

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Wolff

I have now a copy of "Joseph Wolff His Romantic Life and Travels" by H. P. Palmer, M.A.

page 142-144: . . ."He reached Dublin harbour in May 1826. . .When Wolff was safely landed in Dublin, he soon found himself the guest of eminent people, as we are told that, after speaking at the Rotunda, 'he spent some days with Lord Roden and the Archbishop of Tuam.'. . .After Wolff had spent some weeks in Dublin, his activities were cut short by an invitation from Henry Drummond and Edward Irving, the founder of the 'Catholic and Apostolic Church,' to come to London."

Darby was of course a curate in Calary at this time. He knew the Rotunda meeting place (at the very least because of the Bible Society and Rev. Robert Daly) and Lord Roden (Jocelyn - related to the Wingfield/Powerscourt family) and Archbishop Trench. Did Darby meet Wolff at this time? Possibly. Given the circumstances and people involved I'd be quite inclined to think so. Was he given a further nudge as to his own prophetic views at the time? Madden in "Memoir of the Right Rev. Robert Daly, D.D." writes, (page 150), "An interesting account is given in the Memoir of the Rev. Edward Irving of some meetings which were held in the year 1826, at Albury, the seat of Henry Drummond, Esq.

Lady Powerscourt was present at these meetings, as appears from a letter to Mr. Daly, of which teh following is an extract: - 'I am going to the prophets' meeting at Mr. Drummond's. . ."

It is also very probable that Lady Powerscourt met Wolff while he was in Dublin as well.

That not everybody was excited about Wolff's subject matter is clear from the Wolff biography:

page 192: . . . "1834. . .he travelled in Great Britain and Ireland on behalf of the London Society in company with its secretary. Never was there a more ill-matched pair. Wolff was always determined to speak about the Millennium and the restoration of the Jews, while the secretary maintained that he should devote his attention to the doctrine of the justification by faith. The ladies at Carisle who supported the Society sent a request to Wolff through the secretary that he should speak on the latter subject only. Wolff proved adamant. 'If I come,' he said, 'I shall want to convert them to my views, not that they should convert me to theirs.'"

The search continues. Yours, Max.

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