Mailbox: Daniel Soukoreff
January 1999 – present

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 16 Oct 2000

Greetings Gordon,
It's been a while I thought I should drop a short note regarding some points:

1. Heino Promm's wife Joan has been getting weaker and weaker, she was admitted to hospital a week ago and found to have double pneumonia. The doctor said if Heino hadn't called and got Joan into the hospital he would have lost her. Please pray for this dear couple.

2. Have you read the foreword to CHM's writing where he outlines the reasons for his using the printing press for the distribution of the ministry? It is a very interesting article in presenting points that may or may not be relevant in your decision to start your site using the latest media internet.

3. We can say little as to the Canadian Prime Minister or the former Prime Minister who recently died, but I did think the scripture that was read was outstanding – 1 Corinthians 15: 12-22.

We have enjoyed the visit of Kerstin's parents and sister's families. My 2 eldest children just came back from a happy time in Germany.

Some scriptures which have been before us recently are:

• "But we have the mind of Christ" wondrous title! in 1 Cor. 2: 16.

• The 3 fold gift of God in 2 Tim 1: 7. "For God has not given us a spirit of cowardice, but of power, and of love, and of wise discretion"

Bye for now, Your brother, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 18 Oct 2000

Dear Daniel,
Glad to hear from you again. Yes, we will pray for Heino and Joan Promm.

I'm sure your visit with Kerstin's parents and sister's families would have been a cheer to you.

Thanks for sharing your recent thoughts on Scripture, always of interest.

I have permanently loaned my copies of CHM – but can borrow them if necessary – and have been unable to locate the item you mention on the "Truth for Today's Bereans" CD-ROM.

• Do you have that disk and if so can you be more specific?

• I would be very interested to see his remarks, specially in view of the KBT trustees not approving of ministry on the internet.

I always enjoy hearing from you.

With love in our Lord Jesus to all, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 4 Jan 2001

Thanks Gordon, I couldn't figure out how to save so I printed a hard copy.

• I will have to look up what the Edomite principle is. Do you know of any factual errors in the Neatby History? Or is it simply the way in which they are presented?

• I can only wonder why Dick Wyman has gone to so much effort to present this unfavourable review of the brethren movement.

We are all well. In our family reading the children were very upset that Achan wife and family were killed because of Achan's sin, so that caused a some interesting discussion.

Kerstin is in Idaho caring for her sister, Doris.

I have been reading a good little booklet to my eldest called "The Tempter and the Teenager".

Greetings to you and your wife, your brother in Him, Daniel

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Fri, 05 Jan 2001

Dear Daniel,
It's always good to hear from you, and news of your family.

As to Neatby's history, I have not read it thoroughly for some years and so, at this time, cannot comment on the possibility of "factual errors".

• But a cursory and random reading shows that it is full of speculation as to motives and biased interpretation – not the marks of a good historian.

• It is particularly occupied with discrediting Mr. Darby personally, his ministry and brethren generally.

• At one point he relies heavily on Professor Stokes whose article you can see in full in
  History: JND: An Unfriendly Appraisal.

• As to the "Edomite principle" see
  Guests: My Stand 1: Sonship of Christ 1

• and the Mailbox for correspondence with Andrew Norman, especially my last email of Dec, 14, 2000.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Fri, 2 Feb 2001

Dear Gordon,
Greetings. After reviewing again I think there is some value in Neatby's review especially if this is the only contempory, comprehensive review of the brethren history at that time.

• It also contains many details which I had not heard of before.

• Do you know if anyone took up at the time a written response?

Kerstin and myself have found F. Marsh's little booklet "The Exaltation of Christ" very good in refocusing our lives into God's will.

• Perhaps it would be a useful addition to your site.

• Mrs. Holmes, a sister locally, has very good memories of his brotherly, spiritual life.

We are well, my mother is in Germany.

Greetings to you and your wife, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Sat, 03 Feb 2001

Dear Daniel,
I agree that "there is some value in Neatby's review", otherwise I would not have drawn your attention to it.

• Having, in my early years and since, searched out all I could find on the history of brethren, including Neatby, there are not likely to be any facts with which I have not been acquainted.

• We can accept Neatby's statement in the Preface: "Indeed, this book has one great advantage: it takes the field without rivals. No general history of the Plymouth movement has ever been undertaken".

• There were of course several partial accounts to which he refers as well as those by brethren, some of which are on MB's "History" page.

• As far as I am aware no one "took up at the time a written response". I would doubt that it would have been considered profitable to do so.

The problem with Neatby's account is that characteristically it is neither objective nor free from personal bias.

• See Memorabilia: Church History: Introduction for my comments on the role of a historian.

• The reader needs to be able to distinguish the reporting of actual historical facts from mere suppositions, especially as to the motives and thoughts of various persons.

• The suppositions are unjustifiably used to further speculate. This is not the role of a historian and is plain dishonest.

• Only the gullible, naive or prejudiced – not a reference to you – would have difficulty in discerning that Neatby has his own agenda. But such persons will only be misled or reinforced in their prejudices.

Thanks for the recommendation of "F. Marsh's little booklet 'The Exaltation of Christ' ", which I do not have but note that it is in KBT's catalogue.

• At the moment no typing help is available, and so additions are restricted to articles I can type myself or already have available, including the valuable scanning work of Peter Metcalfe and John Vedder of JBS and FER.

I'm glad to hear that you are all well and for your family news. We are up and down, normal at our age I suppose.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 15 Feb 2001

Dear Gordon,
Kerstin's grandfather Paul Schubert [ 94 ] went to be with the Lord after a remarkable life proving God's support in a special way under first the Nazis then the Soviets in a little village near Chemnitz. Kerstin leaves for Germany, DV, tomorrow.

Greetings in our Lord Jesus, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Sat, 17 Feb 2001

Dear Daniel,
Just finished a surprise conversation with Kerstin from the airport. I enjoyed the time very much and appreciate her insights and desires.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 22 Jan 2002

Dear Gordon,
… I just want to say thank you very much for the service your site is doing. I have mailed out a number of books to various interested persons who noticed me through your site and well as some interesting phone calls …

Greeting in Christ to you both, Daniel.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 4 Jun 2002

Dear Gordon
… JND's Synopisis of the Books of the Bible – which I dug into afresh – and a section of a book I was reading summed up an impression I had of the importance of teaching and learning the Bible as one complete book with progressive divine revelation …

Would appreciate you thoughts, Gordon.

Your brother in Christ, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Fri, 07 Jun 2002

Dear Daniel
… Yes, certainly the Scriptures should be viewed as one whole but "progressive" needs to be defined lest the distinctive place of the assembly be missed. Does the author to which you refer have any concept of this?

• I have always, as far as memory serves, been quite conscious of the wholeness of the Scriptures and the unfolding of God's ways, culminating in the bringing in of His grand purposes in Christ and the assembly.

• The opening remarks in JND's 'Introduction to the Bible' are helpful in a proper view of the Scriptures …

With love in the Lord Jesus to you and your family, and to Susan, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 17 Jun 2002

Dear Gordon,
… I didn't understand your point on how progressive could be defined in such a way so that the distinctive place of the assembly could be missed, could you explain further your meaning? I read Introduction to the Bible and found it helpful …

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Daniel

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 25 Jun, 2002

Dear Daniel,
… As to "progressive" – which generally means that one thing develops out of another – it could be used to support the concept that the assembly is just a development and continuation of Israel as some believe.

• There is a sense in which, according to Romans 9-11, this might be thought but there it is really the Gentiles brought into the favour once enjoyed by Israel. There is no thought of one body there.

• "The mystery hidden throughout the ages in God', Ephesians 3: 9, is entirely new and not "progressive".

"Progressive" could also imply that the revelation of God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, through Christ is a development of other ways that God had made himself known.

• This would set aside the distinctiveness that "the Word became flesh" and that "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him", John 1: 14, 18.

• This is no development nor "progressive" but a completely new declaration.

I do not want to appear critical, but must say that, while some help and insights may be gained from current writings of those connected with the various systems in christendom,

• there is a grave danger of being drawn away from the distinctive truths that have come out in ministry we have known.
  • "Go not to glean in another field … Let thine eyes be on the field that is being reaped", Ruth 2: 8-9.

• I have had the disappointing experience years ago, because of the breakdown among brethren, of looking elsewhere for help and food.

• There is no doubt to me that the ministry of the recovery – as we speak of it – is still "the field that is being reaped".

• Have you noticed the additions of GRC's ministry? It is a good example of the field of Boaz …

Affectionately in the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 24 Oct 2002

Dear Gordon,
I enjoyed GRC's Activities in which We are to Engage article. I thought the remarks regarding Paul's, John's and Peter's ministry very helpful.

Regarding the ways in which you were concerned the word "progressive" could be applied thus far I have not found it applied in the ways you have suggested.

Regarding the field which is being reaped, in a general way I agree with your comments especially as to maintaining the heavenly truths we have to appreciate.

• If by this one means that no favourable comments or articles of non-brethren (so-called) writers will be included, I find this hard to understand in relation to the fact that God has set gifts for our help in the assembly.

I found an article of Edward Dennett's helpful. He was writing of Nehemiah and observed that some of the people built up the wall by their houses, some the gates and others did both.

• He made the application that some are very concerned as to godliness in the home and in their personal lives but less concerned as to evil being kept out of the company; some are building the gates, concerned as to assembly principles but less concerned as to their personal and household walk; then he observed the those that did both as what God really has in mind for us.

Greetings to you all, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Fri, 25 Oct 2002

Dear Daniel,
Glad to hear from you again and to hear that you found some encouragement in GRC's ministry.

As to God having set the gifts in the assembly, of this there should be no doubt, nor that He thus provides for His people in various settings. And we thank Him for that.

• But though a 'gift', one cannot lead others beyond where they are themselves. One may be pious and able to help others to personal piety.

• Many can help as to justification by faith and the forgiveness of sins, although there is general confusion as to new birth, eternal life, the presence and operations of the Spirit, separation from iniquity and lack of knowledge as to the assembly, the mystery.

• In this regard, there is an insightful article on 'Christian Ministry' in Ministry by JBS: Part 2 which you may find interesting.

Mr. Dennett is generally helpful but I doubt the rightness of the application which, without any indication in the account, questions the commitment of those working on the wall.

• As far as I know the only negative remark is as to the nobles of the Tekoites not putting their necks to the work of the Lord. Neh. 3: 5.

• The building of the wall was a unified work under the direction of Nehemiah, and all except as noted did their part.

• There is no doubt that there are some in our day, perhaps many, like those of whom ED speaks who are one-sided in their outlook.

• However, I think ED errs in criticizing those whom the Spirit commends for their unique part in building the wall according to their ability. An application should be in accord with the primary interpretation of the passage.

You and your family – and Susan, of course – are often in our thougths and prayers.

We expect to have 'special' – special to us few here – meetings tomorrow. There will be two readings. I hope to suggest we explore the distinctives and the common features of Paul's ministry and John's ministry, in view of JND's last words.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 29 Oct 2002

Dear Gordon,
Thank you for your reply.

Regarding ED's comments on Nehemiah, the condition he speaks of may be there but his comments may go further than the passage warrants.

As to the gifts which God sets in the assembly I would agree with what you have said. I did find JBS 10: 308-14 on "Christian Ministry' which you have included in your JBS section very thought provoking!

I wondered if you had thoughts as to the 'Defilement by Association' article by Bud Morris on the Exclusive Brethren site?

Greetings to you all, Your brother in Christ, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 30 Oct 2002

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for you reply on ED's comments on Nehemiah, and on the gifts.

We felt our fewness and weakness on Saturday but were enlightened and encouraged in the readings on the John's ministry and Paul's ministry.

The article of Bud Morris on 'Defilement by Association' is misleading. I haven't time or inclination to analyze it in detail but give a general opinion.

• He begins by admitting it as principle and then switches to examining certain extreme views and the supposed basis of those views.

• The obvious intent is to discredit the real possibility of defilement of individuals and gatherings, and therefore of any defilement by asscociation, except in the instances he first mentions.

• It is based on an unrealistic view of the present situation in Christendom and, essentially, advocates an 'open' and independent position.

• No doubt his arguments would confirm those of the 'open' persuasion, and deceive other who are ill-established.

• He seems to misunderstand, and attempts to set aside, 2 Timothy 2. See Studies: 2 Timothy 2 – Reconsidered for my thoughts.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Sat, 11 Jan 2003

Dear Gordon,
Greetings. We have been been looking at different aspects of the Scriptures from the viewpoint of how does the situation relate to the glory of God.

• For example: creation, Moses's desire to see his glory, the gospel, the way the gospel is presented, what are the results of refusing to give him glory, etc. It's a very rich vein to mine.

My reason for writing today is my father-in-law has published in German an excellent article on 'Marah', Exodus 15: 22-27, by Herbert Gill. Unfortunately his copy is in German only. Do you or any of your visitors have a copy of this in English?

I read your article on Watchman Nee and found it a bit one-sided in that none of the prideful statements that brethren said at that time in his presence were mentioned, thus the state amongst brethren at that time isn't addressed.

Geoffrey Bacon's 'There is One Body' was given to me, I think there are some helpful points made in it, also in JBS's Reception Unsectarian.

Please pray for us as we would pray for you.

Yours in Him, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 14 Jan 2003

Dear Daniel, It's good to hear from you again! Yes, the glory of God is a great subject to look into, and one that will occupy us for eternity.

I'll post a bulletin re H. Gill's 'Marah' which I see is not in the KBT catalogue.

I assume you refer to History: The China Episode.

• It is certainly not meant to be "one-sided". The information is from the only reliable sources of which I have any knowledge. The treatment of the matter by AJG, JT and WN's biographer is quite sensitive.

• I'm not sure what you mean as to "the state amongst brethren at that time". If you have acces to any authentic documents with further and/or different information I would like to see them if possible.

• Strangely, any comments on WN and the 'Little Flock' movement that I have come across – except for those of Angus Kinnear – ignore the brief but important connection with brethren.

I have a faint remembrance of seeing what may have been Geoffrey Bacon's 'There is One Body' many years ago, but that is all.

Yes 'Reception Unsectarian' by JBS is interesting, especially as a testimony to the conditions and practices of his time.

• Ministry: C. A. Coates 1: Present Conditions in the Christian Profession is a careful review and update of the changed situation in the profession in 1926 –
  • a situation which has severely deteriorated in our own time, and even in the last few years.

We do appreciate your prayers, and often bring your family before the Lord for blessing and preservation.

With love to your family and to Susan,
Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 20 Jan 2003

Dear Gordon, Thank you for posting my request for Herbert Gill's article.

I found the reference I was looking for in Angus Kinnear's book 'The Story of Watchman Nee - Against The Tide', page 151.

• He never ceased to respect the wealth of spiritual knowledge to be found within this group, but was very distrubed by the complacency that allowed them more than once in his hearing to say things like:
  • 'Is there anything in the field of spiritual revelation that we Brethren do not have? To read what other Christians have written is a waste of time. What do any of them have that we have not got?'. Page 152.

• And as he left Britain he observed with frankness to his friend Charles Barlow,
  • 'Your people have wonderful light, but oh so little faith!'

I will also speak to some older brethren who were present at his meetings in Vancouver, to get more detail as to the situation at that time.

Glad to read the fresh additions to your site each month.

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 21 Jan, 2003

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for the references. I found them at page 92 of my hard cover edition. They are, according to the end note, quotations from a book by WN.

In view of the written records quoted in 'The China Episode' and general knowledge of our earlier brethren, it is difficult to believe that any intelligent person could have made such harsh statements.

• Where actual direct quotations cannot be made there is always the danger of putting matters in the light of our own feelings, especially after the passage of time.

I might just as easily be charged with "prideful statements" in view of some remarks made in emails to you, which I quote here: in case you no longer have them

Jan 25, 2002: I do not want to appear critical, but must say that, while some help and insights may be gained from current writings of those connected with the various systems in christendom,

• there is a grave danger of being drawn away from the distinctive truths that have come out in ministry we have known.
  • "Go not to glean in another field … Let thine eyes be on the field that is being reaped", Ruth 2: 8-9.

• I have had the disappointing experience years ago, because of the breakdown among brethren, of looking elsewhere for help and food.

• There is no doubt to me that the ministry of the recovery – as we speak of it – is still "the field that is being reaped".

Oct 25, 2002: As to God having set the gifts in the assembly, of this there should be no doubt, nor that He thus provides for His people in various settings. And we thank Him for that.

• But though a 'gift', one cannot lead others beyond where they are themselves. One may be pious and able to help others to personal piety.

• Many can help as to justification by faith and the forgiveness of sins, although there is general confusion as to new birth, eternal life, the presence and operations of the Spirit, separation from iniquity and lack of knowledge as to the assembly, the mystery.

• In this regard, there is an insightful article on 'Christian Ministry' in 'Ministry by JBS: Part 2' which you may find interesting.

It is likely that any remarks made by the brethren to WN would have been in a similar vein to mine.

• They were certainly not trying to alienate him or the Chinese brethren. All the records at the time indicate he was treated in a brotherly and gentle manner.

• In any event, the issue with him and the brethren in China were mainly as to the basic matter of associations.
  • This is still an issue in our day. It is the building of the wall that brings severe opposition.

I had no intention of covering up anything, but if the "prideful statements" were to be brought in balance would necessitate a review of the Chinese views and practices.

• All this would be beyond the spirit, scope and purpose of MB which, as in other historical accounts, is to show the relationship and impact on the brethren in as calm a manner as possible.

I hope this allays your concern.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Fri, 28 Feb 2003

Dear Gordon,
Very much enjoyed your new Wm. Trotter article! Especially the sensitivity to the Holy Spirit suggested in Letter #5.

We hope, DV, to go to Britian and Germany in April/May and would appreciate your prayers.

Had an enjoyable reading with a John Jenkins of Windsor, Ont., the other evening, wondered if you had heard of him.

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 3 Mar 2003

Dear Daniel,
It's good to hear from you again. You and your family are often in our thoughts and prayers. We'll certainly think of you on your proposed trip. Have you finalized dates yet?

Glad you enjoyed Mr. Trotter's 'Five Letters ...'. I've had in mind adding them for some time and trust they will provoke some interest.

No, I'm not familar with John Jenkins of Windsor, although Betty seems to recall the Jenkins name in Detroit – across the border. I'd be interested in hearing more of him, or from him.

I don't know if you noticed but we now have access to all 3 volumes of Hubert Calvey's letters, 'The Confrontation of J.T.Jr ...' which we will soon be scanning.

• It's unlikely that we will use more than some extracts on MB, but they are certainly worth preserving.

With love to all, including Susan,

Addectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Mom, 21 Apr 2003

Dear Gordon,
Greetings. Glad to see your site growing with more and more articles, trust God will encourage and support Jeff in his work.

I feel I should have tried to get to LA when I was in SF but it just didn't work out.

• Maybe if the way opens up I could pay you a visit, but now God willing I hope to go to England, Scotland and Germany in May.

• My wife and children leave tomorrow and will stay til the 1st week in June.

I enjoyed CAC on Judges 1 the other day as a view of three resources which we still should prove in our day:

1. A dependent calling on God.
2. Respect and valuation of our brethren.
3. The making way for the work of the Spirit.

Looking at Matthew 27: 66 I wondered if you had any thoughts as to Pilate refusing to secure the tomb.

We appreciate your prayers as we pray for your blessing.

Your brother in Him, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 23 Apr 2003

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for the details of your trip. May the Lord bless you and your family in your contacts with the saints. When you return perhaps you will give a report.

Yes, it would be good to meet you face to face if the Lord ever opens the way!

We had a welcome visit from Max Weremchuk last Wednesday.

I appreciate your drawing attention to CAC's three points in Judges 1. If these had been given heed to much trouble would have been avoided.

Regarding Pilate and Matthew 27: 62-66. It doesn't seem to me that he refused to seal the tomb but that he placed that responsibilty on the chief priests and Pharisees.

• This was undoubtedly of God so that they could not complain that it had not been done securely.

• Matthew 28: 11-15 indicates that the "watch" was a group of Roman "soldiers" responsible to Pilate which he had ordered to act under the direction of the Jews for the securing of the tomb. What do you think?

With love to all in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 14 Aug, 2003

Dear Gordon,
Greetings, we had a very good time visiting various brethren in Scotland, England and Germany.

• Some of the names you may familiar with were Laurie Twinam, David Mutton, David Burr & John Wheeler.

• I heard a very good address in Croydon which touched on the conditions for the enjoyment of eternal life.

• I was glad to see the evidence of shepherd care amongst some, and to hear some powerful, comprehensive gospel preachings.

• Then from historical point of view the children had all read up on British History and could appreciate what they were seeing.

• The hospitality of all was great.

In Germany, we met and were encouraged by our contacts with a good many.

• I had an impression that the conditions which prevailed in 2 Samuel 15 are similiar to ours today.

• But the answer to those conditions seems to me to be in Verse 30 "But David went up by the ascent of the Olives, and wept as he went up, and had his head covered, and he went barefoot: and all the people that was with him covered every man his head, and they went up, weeping as they went up".

In our reading last night we got into Romans 9, a brother sent me a JND article on free will which came up in conversation. I see CHM has a paper on it.

• Do you have anything on your site, or know other articles about it?

Greetings to you and yours, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff

Mon, 25 Aug, 2003

Dear Daniel,
The news of your trip and your contacts is much appreciated. We need to value all our brethren even though separated because of various issues and non-issues.

• Yes, I'm faniliar with all the name you mention, especially Laurie Twinam with whom I first corresponded in 1971! You may know that his poems are featured in the Poetry group.

• Your comments on 2 Samuel 15: 30 are quite appropriate. David's humility at a difficult time is an example to us in our day.

Thanks for JND's letter on free will. I've managed to locate CHM's paper as well. I'm not aware at the moment of others but will be on the lookout.

• As more material becomes available we may add a page on 'Sovereignty vs. Free Will' to the Doctrine group.

We are watching the fearful forest fire situation in BC and praying for mercy for the many affected, and that our gracious God might use it to touch hearts as to Christ.

Our love to you and your family in the Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 21 Jan 2004

Dear Gordon,
I appreciated Gordon Simmonds' recent letters.

• I think he hits on an important point in the minds of many when he raises the lack of consensus as to the point of departure issue.

• I gather you feel it was the Cowell matter in 1959, my father [Jim Soukoreff] thought the eating matter of 1961,
  • [See Guests: My Stand 1: 'What Went Wrong?' and 'Decline of 1950's'.]

• others Plainfield in 1955 [re E. T. Petersen?], I wonder as to Mr. Myles' published comments in 1953,

• others when incarnational sonship and household baptism were made a test of fellowship in the later part of JT Snr's time,

• others in regard to the stressing of authoritative ministry, others in the stopping of Sunday Schools in the 30s/40s etc.

One way of looking at it is in indications of a declining state

• and the other, more from FER's point of view, when would all true believers be forced to separate based on what was taught, published and practiced.

• I think the Lord would lead us to a consensus on this important point in order to "hold fast what thou hast".

• I appreciate the many letters you have put up on your site regarding this point, directly and indirectly.

Yours in Christ, Daniel Soukoreff.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 22 Jan 2004

Dear Daniel,
How good to hear from you again and to know you are following matters on MB. You and your family are often in my thoughts.

I'm glad to learn you appreciate Gordon Simmonds' recent letters, as I certainly do.

The matter of a 'consensus' is a real need but, sadly, unlikely to be generally realized.

• We all tend to judge of such matters by how we were personally affected and over the years our opinions become solidified.

• Mutual understanding as it affects practices is more likelty to be achieved than mutual agreement as to doctrines on which definite positions have been taken and maintained. Of course doctrine and practice are often interdependent.

• But certainly we should attempt through dialogue – based on brotherly respect – to understand the viewpoints of others; and I trust MB serves the brethren in that way.

Yes, I believe 1959 was a serious crisis but not so much in teaching as in practice.

• These two matters need to be clearly distinguished in order to arrive at a clear judgment.

• Often the zealousness of the flesh for right doctrine has resulted in wrong and cruel practice, and so how much more damage has arisen from zeal for wrong doctrine.

• This first situation appears to have been so in the early 1950's – in Britain and possibly Switzerland – according to Mr. Arthur G. Brown in his 'The Departure from the Truth after its Recovery'.

• The seeds of departure may have lain dormant for years awaiting the stimulation of some particular action.

• We have to face the fact too that generations may have grown up among brethren without any conviction as to why they were where they were. This might well be due to neglect of proper household instruction.

• The whole problem is complicated and for most of us to be clear may await the judgment seat.

Let us be in exercise before the Lord to learn from Him as to what we can do to improve the situation in our own localities at least.

I appreciate your early and continued supportive interest in MB and hope you can establish the same good relations we have shared.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 22 January 2004

Dear Gordon,
Yes, we think of you too and your wife to in our prayers that God may bless you.

• In fact we are considering to go to visit family in Florida, DV, then driving back through the US, Toronto, Regina, Medicine Hat, Calgary back to Vancouver sometime in April/May – if you could put up a family of 7 for a night or 2 that would be great :)).

I have already written to Mr. Simmonds on 'Consensus' and receivd a thoughtful reply stressing the failure Godward before the failure in manward in outward moral matters.

• Agreement as to a date does seems unlikely, but the moral road of separating, fleeing, pursuing is still open to us.

• Locally is where we are challanged as you say.

Mother hopes in visit NZ shortly.

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Fri, 23 January 2004

Dear Daniel,
It would certainly be good to meet you and your family face to face. Let us know how your plans proceed.

• A family of 7! Even in the old days that would be a challenge %-\ Now we can barely look after ourselves!

• Give our love to Susan – New Zealand? a world traveller!

Glad to hear that you and Gordon Simmonds have been in contact. Would your correspondence be appropriate and available for MB?

Jeff asks as to your references to Plainfield and AEM. I suspect you refer to ETP, and to the worship of God, as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Please coorect me if I'm wrong.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 8 March 2004

Dear Gordon,
Appreciated CAC's thoughts on the last 2 chapters of Acts as a picture of church history.

• I just retyped last night the thoughts of Alfred Wellershaus on the same topic. I will forward them to you for your consideration.

Keep up the good work, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 15 March 2004

Dear Daniel,
Glad to hear from you again and looking forwrd to seeing AW's comments.

Affectionately in Him, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 18 March 2004

Dear Gordon,
Sorry for the delay, I was trying to get a proof of the translation.

I noticed I still have not replied to your question re: 1950 but you guess right in your reply.

As to correspondence with Gordon Simmonds, if he wants to make it available fine.

Re photos: I think I have some which you are after.

Mother is enjoying her visit to NZ. Bigger bills than expected caused us to cancel our go-see-America trip.

The Lord has taken our brother Jim Castle of SF.

Bye for now, Yours in Him, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Sat, 20 March 2004

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for AW on 'Paul's Voyage' which we will consider for posting. It's different from CAC but very interesting.

Any photos you may have will be welcome.

Sorry you won't be able to make the trip. It would have been good to meet your family.

Malcolm Withell, of KBT, and family will be on this side for a visit and expect to be with Jeff ... on April 5-6.

We are looking forward to meeting David and Eliza Crozier of Warrenpoint, North Ireland, in June when they expect to visit our local brother Walter Fleming, Eliza's brother.

And two brothers in Washington DC area, MB guests, expect to be in Toronto on July 4.

Affecionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 22 March 2004

Dear Gordon,
This study of place name meanings is interesting. I looked up Alexandra as that was where one of the ships originated from in Paul's travels. Vines defined Alexandra as "defender of man", quite suggestive.

Mother [Susan] is enjoying her NZ trip. She has been able to visit with Hickmotts, Lidbetter, Forrests and Walkers as well as see some of the beautiful sights.

The current movie 'The Passion' has caused much discussion. I was impressed the other day by a number of passages:

• "we look not on the things that are seen";

• "blessed are they who have not seen and have believed";

• "faith is the … conviction of things not seen" and

• "communicating spiritual things by spiritual means".

• Also the fact that in God's ordering no material artifacts from the crucifixion have been preserved to our day is noteworthy.

We are looking at faith and works in relation to the way Paul treats the topic in Romans vis-a-vis James in his epistle.

Your in Him, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Fri, March 26 2004

Dear Daniel,
AW's article is now posted. Thanks very much for this good addition.

Your scriptures re the 'movie' are quite appropriate. It's amazing – or is it? – that so many real believers can be led away! It's strange indeed but the comments by unbelievers seem generally to be perceptive of the wrongness of such a production.

Affecionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 14 May, 2004

Dear Gordon,
Greetings. Have you seen the BBC Exclusive Brethren article? I thought it was fair.

• I did wonder at the mention of JTJr's teaching of Jesus not becoming divine till 12. I had never heard of this, have you?

• I notice the link to your site in the sidebar, were you contacted by BBC?

We are well, our 3 eldest children are in Florida with family.

I received a monthly from the UK (Sneddon) with an excellent article on Wells by W. J. House. Did you receive it?

I found you correspondence with Mr. Gossett very interesting.

Did you get through Gordon Simmonds extensive writings?

• I felt as Adam was cut off from the tree of life so would the twos and threes all over the world would be without the freedom to break bread.

• As to the worship of the Spirit I wonder if 1 Peter 4: 14 has a bearing, what do you think?

Yours in Him, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 17 May, 2004

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for drawing my attention to the BBC article on 'exclusive brethren'. Yes, it seems fair, and dispassionate, even though dealing mainly with the post 1959 aberrations.

No, I had never heard of the statement you mention attributed to JTJr, and very much doubt he would have said such a thing. I wonder whether the BBC has documented proof.

No, the BBC didn't contact me re linking to MB, but I have no objection. I suppose they found it on the JRULM-CBA site to which they also link. Unfortunately they link to our old, and soon to be closed, old site.

Glad to hear you are all well. I suppose Susan is home from N.Z. by now.

We are increasingly feeling the weakness and pains of age. It will take some months to dispose of our household items and sell the condo, but when that is done we expect to move to Bethany Lodge, a retirement home run by some 'open' people. My mother lived there for her last few years and we have been visiting as volunteers for about 15 years.

I had a very interesting visit from a brother in nearby Burlington impressed by FER's 'Deliverance' on MB.

• We hope to have a visit from in the next few months, and two MB guests fron the Washington DC are expected to be here on July 4.

• The Lord is well able to overcome our physical restrictions. Acts 28; 30-31.

No, I'm not on Mr. Sneddon's mailing list, but Dover Bible Fund have shown some items from him on their site, presently being updated.

Yes, the correspondence with John Gossett was quite interesting. He might like to hear from you. Let me know.

We have almost all of Gordon Simmond's collection and are reviewing them. They are very interesting from a historical perspective and explain some previously hazy situations.

• But, apart from a few items, and Gordon recognizes this, they aren't suitable for posting on MB because of advocating the giving up of the Lord's Supper and opposition to addressing the Spirit.

Adam's cutting off from the tree of life doesn't seem to have any application to depriving the twos or threes of the Lord's Supper, especially in view of the Lord's own words,

• "To him that overcomes, I will give to him to eat of the tree of life which is in the paradise of God, Revelation 2: 7.

• There is no evidence of the "until he come" of 1 Corinthians 11: 26 being abrogated. And Paul distinctly say,
  • "If any one thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him recognise that the things that I write to you, that it is the Lord's commandment", 1 Corinthians 14: 37.

• Are you thinking of giving up the Supper?

As to 1 Peter 4: 14, I suppose you refer to "on your part he is glorified". That would be confirmatory.

• The whole matter of addressing and worshipping the Spirit becomes clear when it is seen that He is viewed objectively, particularly in John chapters 14-16 and in the Acts.

• Most can't see beyong the fact of His indwelling the believer, and are oblivious to His dwelling in the temple. 1 Corinthians 3; 16-17.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 17 May 2004

Dear Gordon,
Yes, Mother's home from NZ, she did enjoy her time. She picked up some historical papers as to early NZ brethren, J. G. Deck, and we are awaiting others, hopefully then I can mail you some material.

Hope the retirement home works out for you both, I notice the Israelites didn't retire but simply changed functions. It would be nice to be like Caleb at 80 :) If you have books to dispose of, and nobody else wants them please send them to me collect on the Greyhound Bus, if you are so minded.

As to the tree of life, I was thinking of it as sustaining life, as a symbol to Adam that he was the creature and God was the creator, that he did not have life in himself.

• The work of redemption then reconnecting the believer with Christ our Tree of Life. Thus the breaking of bread is one of the practical ways in which the twos and threes have access to the Tree of Life now.

• Therefore by denying saints this privilege because of the failure and sin which has come in, it effectively cuts them off from one of the important ways in which they can prove the Tree of Life now.

I was hoping to see Mr. Gossett but he writes that he has moved to AZ.

Can you send me your snail mail address, I think you would enjoy this "Wells" article.

I see that Daniel Little's site closed but a new site has been set up at: www.peebs.net

As to the worship of the Spirit, thanks for the 1 Cor. 3: 17 view of the Spirit dwelling in the Temple of God, which I suppose would be God's House now the assembly? We are very enjoying using the Auckland Hymnbook now, which has many Hymns to the Spirit.

Much love to you all, Your brother in Christ, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 24 May 2004

Dear Daniel,
I'm looking forward to seing the NZ items and WJH on 'Wells', but perhaps you would mail them to Jeff who can scan, for possible use on MB, and then he will email them to me.

Looks like I misread your thoughts as to the tree of life, Thanks for clarifying.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Sun, 7 Nov 2004
By Mail

Dear Brother,
Greetings from us here in Vancouver. here's finally some interesting correspondence about J.G.D. and J.N.D. in New Zeland.

• I crossed out J.N.D. and put in J.G.D. where I thought it didn't make sense.

My mother got these papers on her trip to N.Z. recently and I thought that they had some historical interest for your site.

Arthur Widtfeldt of San Francisco, now elderly, also has a wealth of historical information.

• We spent a delightful evening with he and his wife as he spoke of the formative effect that a series of three-day meetings on the Assembly, in the London area by JT, Snr. just after the war, had on him.

We are all well. Perhaps we could visit you one day. We are presently caring for my wife Kerstin's sister and son. Come stay with us for a visit.

Yours in Christ, Daniel

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 6 Dec 2004

Hi Daniel,
Sorry for the long delay in getting back to you. Received your letter about a month ago while trying to get ready for Toronto visit.

• Last week was our first week home from the trip and we were busy catching up. Still doing so this week!!

• At any rate, I was able to hand deliver a copy of the JGD/JND letters to Gordon, who sends his affectionate greetings.

We had very good meetings at our visit, and for the readings on Saturday an unexpected suprise,

• a very nice couple, Gene and Judy McLeod who, excercised about things, have recently left their church and have been in contact with Gordon.

We appreciate you sending the letters and we will be working our way around to them shortly!

We'd love to come for a visit sometime, too! Please say hello to all...

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Sun, 28 Jun, 2005

Dear Gordon,
I am sorry Kerstin and the children were unable to visit you while in Toronto and that you were left high and dry waiting for them but perhaps the way may open up where I could visit you both.

God's hand was over Kerstin and the children and they came home safely after almost 20,000 km. So many believers opened their home to them it was a real encouragement. For example in Colorado Mrs. [Jon] Malander through very ill with cancer had such an overcoming spirit, it was inspiring to see.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this comment of CHM forwarded to me by Heino Promm.

The balance of Daniel's letter and my reply is in Guests: My Answer 4: Will the Spirit ever lead anyone to look at Himself or His work?

Love to you both in Christ, may you continue to prove his grace, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Fri, 7 Jul, 2005

Dear Daniel,
Yes, we missed seeing Kerstin and the children but look forward to possibly seeing yo

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 25 Oct 2005

Dear Gordon,
Thanks for the article of the worship of the Holy Spirit which I felt was informative and timely. I had been looking up this matter historically and had found little except, as stated in the article, the fact that one of the creeds mentions it.

Yours in Him, Daniel.

To: Daniel Sokoreff
Wed, 26 Oct 2005

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for mentioning you read Mr. Brown's paper. Always encouraging to hear some feedback from you.

How do you feel about the comments? We felt it was necessary to be as clear about what judgment we share with Mr. Brown and that which we do not. We also felt it was an important historical account, despite the disagreement, and casts much light on other problems of the time.

Yours in our Lord Jesus.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 10 Nov 2005

Hi Borther,
Here's an interesting statement from Wal-Mart as to why no Merry Christmas banners:

Wal-Mart is a world wide organization and must remain conscious of this. The majority of the world still has different practices other than "christmas" which is an ancient tradition that has its roots in Siberian shamanism. The colors associated with "christmas" red and white are actually a representation of of the aminita mascera mushroom. Santa is also borrowed from the Caucuses, mistletoe from the Celts, yule log from the Goths, the time from the Visigoth and the tree from the worship of Baal. It is a wide, wide world.

You have to smile when you read this, from Wal-Mart of all people, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 10 Nov 2005

Dear Daniel,
Yes, very interesting. I'm surprised at the boldness of the message – politics being what they are!

I wanted to get back to you about the Mr. Pink items. I think his article on the Holy Spirit was interesting – and certainly well presented. Rather than being surprised the brethren would not worship the Spirit, he might ought to have seen his gift was needed. Perhaps it took that much longer to recover because Mr. Pink was not where he ought to have been ... Interesting to think about!

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 29 Nov, 2005

Dear Gordon,
Re: Dr. Hawker-The Person, Godhead and Ministry of The Holy Ghost
Malcolm of KBT sent me a photo copy of this instructive and interesting article, which, I would suggest make a valuable addition to your site. My mother, Susan, helpfully typed it all out.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 7 Dec 2005

Dear Daniel,
Thanks very much for the interesting Hawker and Wellershaus (on Ichabod, received separately) items which we will likely post to MB soon. Thank Susan for her excellent work in typing!!

In Him, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 7 Dec 2005

Dear Gordon, You are welcome, Dr. Hawker appears to have enjoyed the communion of the Holy Spirit, a necessary thing if one is to open up His person and work.

• I appreciated reading Divine Names again I had read it some years ago but had forgotten it.

• Also I am very glad to see J. Pellatt's ministry appear on your website, I have so enjoyed it, and sent a copy of the KBT reprint to others who have been helped by it.

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 15 Dec 2005

Dear Gordon, I see you have the Hawker article up; I passed on your thanks to Susan.

• Wolfgang Finger of Cologne has republished it in German from a Wellershaus translation of the article.

Gordon Simmonds brought to my attention a difference between the FER New Series and Old Series. This is the 2nd or 3rd I have found differences and wondered if you knew how I could get my hands on a complete old series including his letters?

• Here's the passage that Gordon Simmonds brought to my attention from the original edition of F.E.R.'s letters but omitted from the new edition. It reads as follows:

• "In regard to the point that you mention, I have not said more than I have said to you. I think the Spirit indwelling the individual Christian is an entirely distinct thought from the Spirit in the house, but I judge that the presence of the Spirit cannot be objective in its character (like Christ), or He would necessarily be an object of worship."

Yours in Him, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 20 Dec 2005

Dear Daniel,

I gave away my partial set of old FER many years ago. Try Malcolm Withell. KBT may have file copies for reference.

• The 'Christian Brethren Archive' has some of the old FER 'Notes of Lectures' which I believe they loan out for research purposes. http://rylibweb.man.ac.uk/data2/spcoll/cba/

• I do recall reading a remark such as the one you quote and have been trying to find it off and on for some years. Did Gordon Simmonds give a reference?

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 21 Dec 2005

Dear Gordon,
I believe Robert Stott was in charge of the reprints. I think Brian Sturtees of England challenged him, in the 1970, as to why the changes but RS maintained that omissions were not on purpose. I may not have all the details correct as I heard this 2nd hand many years ago. I could try recontacting Brian Sturtees.

Bye for now, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 26 Dec 2005

Dear Daniel,
I knew Robert Stott personally and was impressed with integrity in the Aberdeen and subsequent issues. Therefore I accept the omission as just an error, a small item easily missed in proof reading as I well know. In fact it would appear that it would have ben an advantage to retain it.

In Him, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 2 Mar, 2006, 2006

Dear Gordon,
Appreciate MB's recent additions to the site these are topics I have been enquiring into lately.

I received this note from a brother in England regarding FER which I send on for your information.

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

I see that you are asking for old series FER. We can probably supply you with most of the available volumes from our second-hand ministry collection. I have built this up initially because I am aware there were some changes when the new series reprints were made. Most of the changes were in the 'house-style' of KBT but I was told by Phil Scott in Alnwick that Robert Stott in his house in about 1959 had spoken of some editorial changes of substance. I have no details. As in JTSnr's ministry we do not know what changes were made particularly in the later NS volumes. I have a nearly complete set of JT Old series if anyone wishes to do a scan and search! If you have not obtained FER Old series I can get them to you.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 6 Mar, 2006

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for your comments on recent additions.

Info re FER is of interest. The following from MB's History: Stow Hill 2, on July 26, 1960, speaks otherwise. Any thoughts?

2. F.E.R.'s Ministry: The status of the New Series printing was reviewed in detail. a. The question of 'editing' came up, in respect of F.E.R., in a few cases where minor adjustments in doctrine had come in, and after fairly lengthy consideration it was decided that his ministry should be reprinted untouched. b. Mr. Gardiner confirmed that no 'editing' had been done with J.N.D.'s Collected Writings. Also J.T.'s ministry was not changed either it was printed as he said it, or it was not printed at all.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 6 Mar 2006

Dear Gordon,
The comments from the brother in England were from David Mutton of England who is part of the Strang group with David Burr, David Bond etc. I consider him a sober and reliable source.

The facts are that there are 2 significant quotes missing from the general ministry which calls into question the accuracy of the Stow Hill July Statement.

• In addition I believe if memory serves there are many omissions in FER's letters when you compare old series to new, but I want to have first hand evidence of this with my own review of the new vs old ministry rather taking the word of another who may not be accurate.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 13 Mar 2006

Dear Daniel,
We would certainly be interested in seeing the omissions to which you refer.

While not discounting the report of David Mutton it would be hard to verify at this date as Robert Stott, well known to me, is with the Lord as I believe Phil Scott also is.

• I am disposed to accept the Stow Hill account while acknowledging that omissions can easily be made unintentionally when new copy is being prepared.

• The omission which Gordon Simmonds furnished appears to have been unintentional as it would have been a support to later ministry to have left it in.

• The significance of any material omitted would need to be evaluated and, even if of importance, would not necessarily mean that the Stow Hill statement was not made in good faith.

Please keep us informed on this important subject.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 14 Mar 2006

Dear Gordon,
Some while back we discussed my unease with the phrase "authoritative ministry". I think JND puts it best in his Synopsis on 2 Timothy 4, which has recently been brought to my attention, which I submit for your consideration.

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

The above and the JND extract appear in full on My Stand: No. 1: Authoritative Ministry.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 15 Mar 2006

Dear Daniel, Thanks for the interesting JND extract. If I read it correctly it is maintaining the same position as stated in my earlier reply to you …

Always glad to hear from you on such vital issues.

In our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

The above and my reply appear in full on My Stand: No. 1: Authoritative Ministry.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Mon, 20 Mar 2006

Dear Gordon,
Sorry for the delay. I was trying to dig up the Zurich papers as this was, in the beginning, where I got the impression as to the thought of authoritative ministry used in a wrong way Was that your impression of these papers? I can't seem to put my hands on them.

I agree there does not seem to be a problem if one can clearly maintain the 2 types of authority which you outline. I wonder though if we do not even still tend to fall into, in practice, the 2 authority thinking which JND warns about.

Jon Malander drew my attention to another relevant section in JND's 'Notes and Jottings' which states:

Whoever hinders the direct authority of the word of God upon the heart is meddling with God's rights. If I send a message to my servant, and someone prevents his getting it properly, it is not merely hindering my servant, but it is meddling with me. We are told to read the fathers, but they were not "from the beginning"; that would be what God said and taught, and then I know from whom I have learned it. To say the fathers were "very early" is more or less true, but that is not the "beginning". I have God's warning about it, and I must stick to that, or I shall not "abide in the Father and in the Son" men want you to lean upon failure, for the last times were already come, while the apostles were there to show it. Take the last thing we have about the church of God, and what do you get there? Is it that you are to hear the church? No; it is just the contrary; it is "hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." How can I hear the Spirit judging the churches, and listen to the churches as my authority and rule? It is all flying in the face of what God has taught us for these last days.

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 30 Mar 2006

Dear Gordon,
Other great reference of JND has been just sent to me which I forward to you. JND's careful and spiritual approach to scripture commends itself to any believer thus having the 2nd type of authority you mention.

Introduction to JND's Synopsis of the Book of the Acts: Another consideration also checked me; it was the fear that anyone might assume to find in this work, the whole contents of the Word. The grave and serious harm of all commentaries is that they make room for this thought, lending themselves thus to the slothfulness of heart and the lack of spirituality which are satisfied with a few explanations, good, perhaps, in themselves, but which only give a few thoughts suggested by the Word and fall infinitely short of communicating its life, its power and its wealth. Nothing is more harmful than this laziness which prefers to dwell on a few thoughts rather than fathom the divine Word itself, which latter is denied to the soul who does not earnestly seek of the Lord, with diligence, spirituality and devotion, the knowledge which He alone can give. The reader therefore, will not find here any pretension to give him the whole contents of the Word. He will find – at least, such has been my desire and the object of my work – a few indications which will help him in the study of the Bible, but which will be useless to him without this study. I should have rendered him an injurious service had I helped him to gather up ideas, at the same time diverting him from the living and true Word which puts us in touch with God Himself, places our hearts beneath that eye which sees all, which judges all; but which sees it in order to heal us and bless us.

Trust you are all well, I have been impressed this morning with 1 Corinthians 12: 30-32,

• "have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But desire earnestly the greater gifts, and yet shew I unto you a way of more surpassing excellence".

• I just had an impression that Corinthian conditions are best met by showing a way of more surpassing excellence. How Paul did that! Inwardly with fear and trembling but with demonstration and power. What's your impressions of this scripture?

• FER touches on this "We do not maintain the truth by clinging tenaciously to the terms of the truth, but by being ourselves, exponents of the truth, which the Lord has given to us to maintain".

Visiting the Amish, I was impressed with fact that they tried by freezing Christian life in the most vital time of their history and putting that forward as the way to maintain the truth had resulted in a sliding into tradition, earthliness and to be fair the maintenance of some godly ways.

• The home we visited the father and mother were believers, unfortunately still attached to the saved today lost tomorrow doctrine. They felt the matter of a generation of young people growing up without real links to the Saviour.

I suppose to be fair to the authors of the creeds or confession, this was an attempt to maintain the truth, and you have the confession of Peter "thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" and many and expanding confessions as you move into Acts and the Epistles.

• I remember a dear older brother Willy Dickson speaking of the golden calf, and the tendency of the human heart to cast everything into a mold.

• For example, the set order of the meetings, he said we are used to finish a meeting with a hymn and a prayer but why not 2 hymns if the Spirit leads us, or sing that hymn that young person gives out from his heart even if it does quite fit the time in the morning meeting.

• I remember as a young person that during a time a departure from the truth and older godly sister stood up and said "this is not the Jesus I know" and left. In another similar time of young boy rose up in a meeting and read a psalm and sat down to an extended silence, which was so apt it was obviously a faithful word from the Spirit of God.

What do you think of readings that are basically a parroting of was CAC or JND said on the topic, and no other viewpoint is allowed?

• How do you view the verse "where the Lord is there is liberty" and thought that God is a God of order? One thought is a woman hymnwriter is great, a woman teaching in the assembly is not liberty but disorder.

Yours in our Lord Jesus, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 30 Mar 2006

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for both recent emails and further valuable JND extracts – including the one from Jon Malander, an old contact – which help us keep a balanced view.

Yes, I recall you mentioning the 'Zurich papers' and they did give the impression of a possible wrong use of authoritative ministry. I have them on my computer, but in an older WordPerfect format which is somewhat tedious to extract.

Your reference to 1 Corinthians 12:30-32 is quite apt. It is noticeable in JT's Letters that he refers appreciatively to many brothers with various gifts.

• If this broad and generous view had been emulated it would have saved us from making too much of any one gift, however distinctive, and of some who only appeared to have gift.

• We have often majored in an academic occupation with the terms of the truth, sorely failing in following FER's word – to which you draw attention – as to being exponents of the truth. Such a personal exposition – as in Paul – would surely have exposed and put to shame the legalists and zealots.

The lessons of the Amish, as you mention, and other separatist sects would have preserved against certain of the recent failures, but the unjustified and proud feeling of superiority blinds the conscience and the spiritual intellect.

• While some at least of "the authors of the creeds" may well have made "an attempt to maintain the truth" it was the arm of the flesh and not the way of the Spirit.

• The personal and living confessions of Peter and others to this day spring from the inner conviction of the Spirit and put to shame those who construct or trust in man-made creeds.

• While the golden calf is always a danger, a far more subtle snare is "the serpent of brass that Moses had made ... Nehushtan", 2 Kings 18: 4. Order is important but it must be carried forward in the power of life. We have often sung a hymn given out by a young brother which might not have fit exactly, and by some older brothers as well.

Readings should be in the light of the temple and therefore fresh and living, not despising what has come out earlier especially in a distinctive way but always making room for fresh touches. Here are some extracts for you:

• "There should be no such thing as a parrot found in the assembly of God", JT 78: 50.

• "A minister is not simply a parrot; it is not that the words are put into his mouth; it is a question of light, and God gives him ability by the Spirit to put that light into such words as are needed at the moment", JT 92: 36.

Liberty is not licence and the order of 1 Corinthians must be maintained as "the law of the house", Ezekiel 43: 12.

• The compositions of such as Hannah and Mary make room for hymns by sisters and, in my judgment, those in the hymn book are among the best and equal to those by brothers.

I hope I have covered all your points and am glad to see that your exercise continues. There is so much apathy in these last days.

With love to all in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 19 Apr 2006

Hi Gordon,
Thanks for your clear commentary on the Baptism issue and the additional articles.

• I think the Anglin article has special value. His note as to the jailer in Acts 16 I found especially helpful:

• Note: The words "having believed in God" are in the singular number, and apply to the jailer only.

Hopefully I will have the Cutting article "How shall they hear?" ready shortly.

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 20 Apr 2006

Hi Gordon,
I would like to get all the ministries on Disc where would you point me to source this?

Yours in Him, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 25 Apr 2006

Dear Daniel,
KBT has JBS, FER and CAC on CD. JT is in the works but not yet complete.

JND is available on the web at http://www.stempublishing.com/ .

In Him, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu 27 Apr, 2006

Hi Gordon,
Here's the reply from Malcolm ATKBT.

Best Regards, Daniel.

The disk now includes JT, and the cost is £60, the same as before. If you had the JBS/FER/CAC disk at full price (not earlier disks) we can do an upgrade disk for £10.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Sat, 20 May 2006

Dear Gordon,
I appreciated the Manchester Connection article and pasted it on to my father-in-law in Germany.

• He received and appreciated it very much and told me to tell you he salutes you for the balanced and careful way you presented it.

• Mr. MacDonald gave him 34 volumes of JND as he was leaving to go back to East Germany.

• Worried that the border guards would take away his books, he and another brother grabbed some Russian newspapers before jumping on the train. Their fellow travellers in the train compartment looked to one another in horror as they pulled out their Russian newspapers and pretended to read them, as in those days, most were smuggling something back into East Germany.

• Later the border guards burst into the compartment demanding papers but seeing these two men reading Russian papers, immediately became very respectful. So much so that they didn't bother with papers and a search of the the compartment, but simply wished them a good day, and went to the next compartment.

• Then the two brothers opened the window and threw out the newpapers out to the great relief and amusement of their fellow passengers.

In East Germany he stored the books in a chicken coop to avoid detection.

• Later when my father-in-law fled to the West through the forest past the Communist patrols he ran with his personal things in one suitcase and these same books in other.

Have a good day, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Sun, 21 May 2006

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for the very interesting account from your father-in-law, and for the words of appreciation from you both. It is such responses that encourage us to go on with the work on MB and to know that our labour is not in vain in the Lord.

The Geo. Cutting article will be on posted shortly. Please thank Susan for her good work in typing. This article should help dissipate the notion some have had that the brethren were disinterested in the spread of the gospel.

In Him, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, 21 Sep, 2007

Daniel phoned and we had an interesting converstaion especially with details of his and his family's recent visit to London, staying with David Burr, and then to Cologne to Kirsten's parents, and elsewhere in Germany.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Thu, 25 Dec, 2008

Dear Gordon and Betty,
I have been amiss in not keeping up contact with you both. I remember your wonderful hospitality to me on my visit some time ago and thank you again.

• Are you able to get out for walks or a drive? It must get lonely for you both but our gracious heavenly Father knows this and would give you his encouragement.

We have just finished some readings on Elijah, finishing with his wonderful fiery chariot ride up to heaven.

• From one side, how Christ is gone on high and his assembly has a double portion, what an amazing gift, the Holy Spirit indwelling us so we can be here in power against an increasingly darkening background.

• From another side, a heavenly minded saint the path of the righteous getting brighter and brighter.

We also looked at the obstacles the were put in front of Elisha, "abide here" THREE times. If Elisha was going to go forward in God's service it would not be on the convictions of another.

• How I am tested in my desires for what is spiritual. It's a bit like Ruth and Ittai. This will be the character of believers in our day who will carry things forward God's thoughts, especially as to Bethel.

• The other encouraging thing is that Elisha asked for something which was a "hard thing". I believe many today have what is a "hard thing" in their affections, to be here for God's glory in a way that brings him back into his rightful place amongst his people. I found this side of the scripture a real encouragement to ask great things of God.

My family and I are all well, the Lord has been gracious to me in my health. Kerstin has been an amazing support and the kids are a blessing and joy and a challenge. My mother still has the travel bug (like ourselves) enjoys to travel and fully joins in our family activities. The Lord has seen fit to bring in much which keeps up all very much on our knees.

On the topic of "How shall they hear?" by Geo. Cutting that I was discussing with dear Gordon Simmonds, he mentioned the saying "Go out or die out". I think there's a lot of truth in that, a real present need.

We have very much enjoyed visits from various ones this year including the David Burrs and Tom and Pat Hawkins.

Your brother in Christ, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Sat, 27 Dec, 2008

Dear Daniel,
How good to hear from you. Thanks for the news of your family. We often think, and pray, for you all.

As you ask, I have had to give up driving and we only get out occasionally with visitors. Betty gets out shopping with our friend Lucy which is a good change for her.

• Yes, it is somewhat lonely -- the telephone helps of course -- as there is little real spiritual companionship here. Working on the web site gives relief from an otherwise boring day. For some time -- and to come -- I have been busy going over the whole site proof reading for corrections  -- how many mistakes I found!

Your comments on Elijah and Elisha are refreshing! I have always been amazed at the grace of God in giving those two outstanding prophets -- who left no writings -- to the northern idolatrous kingdom. As always, further comments for posting on MB will be welcome.

With love to you and Kerstin and the family all, with Susan,

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Apr ??, 2010 -- by regular mail

Dear Gordon and Betty,
Sorry that I haven't been in contact, but it's a sunny Lord's day and I found a card with one of our local views of the volcano, Mount Baker. We live in Ladner which is a farming and fishing community two suburbs south of Vancouver.

I trust this letter finds you both well and in good spirits. We are such outdoors people I would find the limitations you both face a real trial, but you both continue on, no doubt supported by God's grace. It's interesting to see the apostle Paul in a position of great lamentation, fruitful for God.

I'm glad to see your continuing with the website. I had Leviticus 11 very much impressed on my heart lately, the unclean and clean animals and its import to us as believers. Part of CHM's comments on this section may be a useful addition to your website.

• Another section which has impressed us is choice made by the 2 1/2 tribes to live on the wilderness side of the Jordan, in Numbers 23 and the consequences of his choice in Joshua 22. I found see CAC helpful on this section …

Some neighbors, do the gospel and an open brethren family have supported us faithfully over the years in our Thursday night readings.

With much love in Christ, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Sat Apr 24, 2010

Dear Daniel,
Always glad to hear from you and thanks for the great family photo.

I'll have a look at your suggestions for MB …

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Sat, Oct 30, 2010

Here's a interesting speech. Daniel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH3_WxtjZCc

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, Nov 2, 2010

Greetings Gordon,
Further to the video clip I sent, I see that you have had correspondence with Paul. Did he reply to your comments about Christian Zionism?

Trust you both are well. Yours in Christ, Daniel.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, Nov 2, 2010

Hi Daniel, No -- Paul never replied. I suppose he wasn't pleased as it would set aside his argument.

Glad you notice the correspondence -- I was about to point it out.

From the interesting clip it appears he is still pushing his peculiar view of JND's ministry.

Affectionately in our Lord Jesus, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Tue, Nov 9, 2010

Dear Gordon,
Thank you for your email. The concept of Christian Zionism may be not accurate. I'll have to wait till I read the book to see what he means by this.

But this aside, I in all my years have seldom heard such a clear sincere and informative defence of the recovered truths JND brought out, and JND personally. I think this is important given how much material is out there today maligning JND. Most of the Q&A was good a the end of the video but some was questioners just making their speeches.

God bless and encourage you and your wife, Daniel.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 23 Feb, 2011

Dear Gordon & Betty,
I thought I would write you a note of something the Lord has impressed on my heart lately. In Hebrew 11: 1- 3 it says,

• "Now faith is [the] substantiating of things hoped for, [the] conviction of things not seen. For in [the power of] this the elders have obtained testimony. By faith we apprehend that the worlds were framed by [the] word of God, so that that which is seen should not take its origin from things which appear".

The believer apprehends or understands by faith. Faith in what?

• Faith first in the finished work of Christ in redemption, faith in God's word, faith in God's promises.

powerful, it's not a problem. God can make something from nothing and can create all things by his word.

How then do you know if you or I are apprehending or understanding by faith? Well

• How about if we are facing a difficult challenge? In the context the soul is puzzled as to how the worlds were made. Well if I believe God's Word and if God is all this chapter gives the effects of this in many ways:
  1. How do I deal with my sins and sin nature? Faith in the substitutionary work of Christ - Abel.

  2. How do I move to protect my family from the judgement of God which is falling on the world around me? Faith shows up in that I move "with fear" or in great awe or repect for the word of God and provide God ordered protective household conditions - Noah.

  3. How do I obtain a spiritual inheritance, spiritual offspring, the righteousness of God, God as my friend and shield? Faith shows up as obedience to the Word of God in leaving a pathway of earthly security for a pathway of day by day dependence on God and offering up to God that which we treasure the most - Abraham.

  4. How do I obtain the spiritual riches of Christ? Faith comes in to display as I choose to suffer with the people of God - Moses.

The whole chapter is full of upbuilding examples. In a simple way by faith I understand that God set me with older more experienced Christians for my spiritual blessing. God stopped me from reentering the Forest Industry corporate world because he knew the social pull of it would have the same effect that living near to Sodom had on Lot and his family. Plus many other experiences.

FYI-My mother's sister Jane went to be with the Lord, so my mother Susan, brother Paul and sister Carolyn are in Toronto for the burial

Yours in Christ, Daniel Soukoreff.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, 23 Feb, 2011

Dear Daniel,
Sorry to hear of your aunt -- but with Christ is "far better", especially when there has been sickness.

Enjoyed your thought on faith -- and I have taken the liberty of using a copy to send via my young friend Jeremy to his recent convert, a young woman, a university student. I think it should be a good help to her. Thanks -- I have found a few other things to help young people. Be encouraged!

Love in Christ to all, Gordon.

From; Daniel Soukoreff,
Sat, Feb 19, 2012,

Dear Gordon,
Greetings, I trust you and your dear wife Betty are well. We are well, our two eldest have married and are now have households of their own. We still have three at home. The Lord has been gracious to me in many ways including my health, and my mother continues well, our world traveller :).

With my daughter's baby, I am now a grandpa and will show complete strangers pictures of my granddaughter and discuss in much detail her amazing progress. The Lord has given us as much work as we want in His field and we are thankful for the many contacts we enjoy.

A dear brother in Christ reminded us that Deuteronomy is the second speaking of the law, and how the entire new generation needed to hear it, with a view to going into the land. I am sure the Lord was in this word to us, and how much in our day do the older but especially the younger need to hear the Word of God again as it relates to our enjoying our spiritual inheritance with the saints. We have been enjoying reading this book.

• We were reading Chapter 14:22-29 this morning about bringing in the tithe to the place which God chooses. Verse 24 makes provision if "the way be too long for thee".

• CAC suggests: "The provision for cases in which the way might be "too long" intimates that it may not always be easy to avail oneself of assembly conditions. Fellowship with God's people according to the truth of His assembly is not always easily obtainable, We are in 'difficult times', but it is peculiarly pleasing to the Lord to see that we value what is of Himself even when it makes unusual demands. It has often happened that when believers have found themselves at a distance from privileges of assembly character they have been tempted to give up the truth, and to fall in with a human order of things. But difficulties are not to be succumbed to, but surmounted."

• I think this is a timely word for many saints in current conditions.

• "Thus saith Jehovah: For three transgressions of Tyre, and for four, I will not revoke its sentence; because they delivered up the whole captivity to Edom, and remembered not the brotherly covenant."

• Cain broke it with Abel. But David respected it with Jonathan, as did Peter and Paul. And we can see it with Paul and Philemon.

To: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, Feb 22, 2012

Dear Daniel,
Thanks for your email and the welcome family news -- may the new households be held for Christ.

The quotation from CAC is particularly apt at the present time, and to our own somewhat lonely circumstances.

We had a good visit yesterday from two 3rd year university students. Jeremy whom we have known since birth and who I baptized as a babe, and Shintu a lovely young woman of Tamil and Hindu background who Jeremy led to Christ last year. Very touching -- Jeremy refers to me as "my lifelong Christian friend and teacher".

We are surviving but feeling our age -- Betty will be 83 tomorrow. I have increasing difficulty with my legs -- hardly any strength, and I have had two fall lately.

With love in Christ to you and all your family, including Susan, Gordon.

From: Daniel Soukoreff
Wed, Feb 22, 2012

Dear Gordon,
Sorry to hear of your 2 falls. I must be getting into senior years too I fell down my brother's front steps last week, 3 bangs on the bottom followed by one on the spine, a twist of the wrist and ankle, ouch, but just bruising thankfully.

Good to hear of Jeremy's going on for the Lord and his appreciation of you spiritual care of him. I have many older brothers, some now with the Lord who have helped me greatly in my pathway.

May the Lord help you and Betty in all the details of life and encourage you in Christ.

We have been reading in John. What a wonderful presentation of Christ, his life was the light of men. He lived such a wonderful character of life men had to take account of it.

• "Never a man spake thus"; "we have been eyewitnesses of his majesty" etc.

• It was such a life that it became light to men. Here in human flesh was God's thought and purpose for humanity! Never had a human life been so pleasing to God, so not about self.

• Just think about it every time he came into a room, he was the most important person in the room or situation but he never leveraged this to dominate, he humbled himself and served men.

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

Dec. 19, 2013
Hi Gordon,
Greetings after too long a time, trust you and Betty are proving divine support. I'm enjoying Grandpa duties.

Thanks for putting up the JND Bio [Turner].

Does Darby make a difference between man "free will" and man being responsible for his actions?

Can you explain what the point is of the Evangelical paper in the bottom paragraph?

It is interesting, too, to know that while in Chicago on one occasion Mr. Darby was invited by D. L. Moody to give a series of Bible readings in Farwell Hall. These were attended by many lovers of the Word of GOD, but unfortunately suddenly came to an abrupt end as the two clashed over the question of the freedom of the will. Mr. Darby held to what Mr. Moody considered extreme Calvinism on this point, affirming that so perverted was man's will he could not "will" even to be saved, and he based his contention largely on the texts "Which were born not . . . of the will of the flesh . . . but of GOD"; and "It is not of him that willeth . . but of GOD that sheweth mercy." Mr. Moody insisted that man as a responsible person was appealed to by GOD to turn to Him and would be condemned if he did not. "Ye will not come to me that ye might have life," said JESUS to those who refused His message. "Whosoever will" is the great gospel invitation. The controversy became so heated one day that Mr. Darby suddenly closed his Bible and refused to go on, thus losing one of the great opportunities of his life, as it will seem to many.

Separating from Mr. Moody, Darby did not hesitate to condemn Mr. Moody's work in his characteristic way. In his letters he warned his followers against it as likely to bring a great increase of worldliness into the Church. It is a striking instance of how prejudice can blind and mislead an otherwise great man. Were he alive to-day how surprised he would be to see the work begun by the great warmhearted evangelist a veritable bulwark against both worldliness and apostasy. Mr. Moody ever confessed his indebtedness to the writings of the Brethren for much help in the understanding of the Word, but it was C. H. Mackintosh and Charles Stanley who had the greatest influence. The writings of the former he always highly commended. Still no unprejudiced mind can deny that there has been a drift at Northfield since those days.*

{*"No amount of gratitude to Mr. Moody," wrote an Evangelical paper of the time, "can blind us to the fact that in extending his patronage to the Higher Criticism he has gone right in the teeth of Christian conviction." When George [Adam Smith] was invited to go there, he at first declined, saying he feared his views would not be in harmony with those taught at Northfield. "Never mind," said Moody; "come and say what you like." (Life of George Adam Smith, by his wife. p. 120 et seq.)}

Yours in Christ, Daniel.

Dec. 29, 2013

Dear Daniel,

Sorry for delay. "Grandpa duties" sounds interesting -- details?

I doubt that JND makes "a difference between man 'free will' and man being responsible for his action" They are two different concepts and must be looked at separately.

The point of the "Evangelical Paper" seems to be simply to discredit Moody's position as opposed to that of JND.

Love to all in Christ, Gordon.

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