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Ordering of the Camp
Ministry by G. R. Cowell
– Memorials: Volume 8

 
Introduction                 Memorials: Previous   Next
1. Numbers 1: 1-4, 47-54; 2: 1-2; 3: 5-10
2. Numbers 9: 1-7; 10: 11-13        3. Numbers 15: 1-5, 22-41
4. Numbers 17: 1-13; 18: 1-7; 19: 1-6; 20: 7-13
5. Hebrews 8: 1-2; Numbers 21: 17-18; 24: 5-7; Hebrews 2: 11-12
• Address: The Last Encampment: Numbers 22: 1; 23: 7-10;
25:1-3; 33: 1-2, 48-49; 2 Corinthians 13: 5-14
 






INTRODUCTION
ORDERING OF THE CAMP
Memorials 8
Meetings with G. R. Cowell at Doncaster, April 22-24, 1960

G. R. Cowell, 1898-1963

Besides their intrinsic value – which will become quckly apparent to the discerning reader – these meetings – as those in Memorials 7 – are of particular interest because


The initials of other brothers taking part in readings do not appear in Volumes 1 – 8 of the 'Memorials'.

G.A R.

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READING  1
Ordering of the Camp ( 1 )
Numbers 1: 1-4; 47-54; 2: 1-2; 3: 5-10
Memorials 8: 1-27

G.R.C. It is in mind to refer to other scriptures in Numbers in the later readings, but in this reading one feels

Ques. Is there not a difference in the various dwellings of God? This would be relative to testimony.

G.R.C. So that the tabernacle, seven or eight times in this book is called the tabernacle of testimony. Is not that a very precious view of the assembly?

Ques. Would it be anticipated that certain attributes of God were to shine out through the people?

G.R.C. I wondered in that way whether it was illustrated in Corinth! Corinth gives us the assembly in the wilderness and

Ques. Would the thought of testimony involve the setting out of the light in the locality?

G.R.C. Yes, that is developed under Paul’s ministry, that while the tabernacle of testimony is a great universal idea,

Rem. That is a very dignified word that Stephen uses,

G.R.C. You can understand therefore why Paul remained in Corinth eighteen months teaching.

Ques. Is the church of God the testimonial name? I was thinking of how it is introduced at Corinth –

G.R.C. I think it is in the way it is used in that epistle, the assembly of God. It is the residence of God of course,

Ques. Does this link on with the current exercise as to all our meetings being public, that the testimony of God might shine out?

G.R.C. Well, in considering this exercise, we should have to take this idea of the testimony of God into account.

Rem. You had something in mind as to conscription. Last night, in Exodus, you were drawing our attention to everyone whose heart prompted him. This is rather different from that, is it?

G.R.C. Yes, but God does not bring it to bear upon the people until He has taken up His residence in His habitation,

Rem. So it says in Romans 6:

G.R.C. Quite so. If we recognise bondmanship, the claims of God in the way of conscription would not present any hardship to a bondman, he is already committed to whatever he is called upon to do.

Ques. Does this matter of the military question involve that the divine presence needs to be guarded?

G.R.C. Yes, I think so.

Rem. I was thinking of how early the idea of guarding enters into the divine thought; man was set in the garden to begin with, not only to till it, but to guard it.

G.R.C. That is very helpful. And of course he failed in that, but still it is a wonderful thing to think of, that guarding came in at the very outset, there was the garden of God’s delight, and it was to be guarded;

Ques. And is it to be noted that the view of the assembly in Corinth, what is referred to as the dwelling-place, is the temple, the shrine, the house itself.

G.R.C. Quite so. And Hebrews 3 says

Ques. Is not that the way the apostle takes the matter up with the Corinthians, being such a house, he has to regulate them, does he not, as to what is external?

G.R.C. And I think there you get the idea of the “holy nation”. You see Peter applies to us what was applied to Israel in Exodus 19, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. Peter says in his epistle,

Rem. So that the word goes on,

G.R.C. It is, and I think it is important to keep in our minds that from the standpoint of the title

Ques. Would you just say a few words as to the distinctive features of those two testimonies in the way you speak of them?

G.R.C. I wish I could say something about them, they are very great thoughts.

Rem. So that, as I understand what you are saying, it is a very wonderful thing that in the testimony at the present time there is ability

G.R.C. It is very wonderful. As the tabernacle went through the wilderness as the tabernacle of testimony, whether it was stationary or in movement,

Ques. Would that connect with the word in Corinthians again,

G.R.C. Paul had to refer to that, relative to himself and those with him, because of the absence of it in practical reality among the saints in Corinth, so he says

Rem. That is what is in mind in relation to a simple person coming in, or an unbeliever,

G.R.C. That is it. And that is the testimony of God, God is indeed amongst you.

Ques. Does the apostle bring both the incense and the anointing oil together in that passage in Corinthians?

G.R.C. That is very good.

Rem. I thought you would have one just as you had the other, would you?

G.R.C. You think one is the odour and the other is the incense, the sweet odour of Christ to God – very good.

Ques. Would you say that what you are bringing forward, testimony, involves identification with Christ?

G.R.C. I am sure it would. They could not serve God in Egypt, as Moses said, the service could not go on there, nor could God’s presence be known amongst His people,

Ques. Do you think we should have something more as to this question of guarding?

G.R.C. It is very necessary, and that brings up the question of conscription again.

Rem. I remember Mr. Robert Dunn saying during the first world war,

G.R.C. So it is a basic thing in national life nowadays, and here we have the holy nation, and

Rem. The trouble with conscription as men know it is that many are conscripted who are not sympathetic, but with divine conscription everyone is sympathetic.

G.R.C. Yes, because it is such an affectionate matter, a Christian soldier is a suffering man,

Ques. Would it help us to accept thankfully our place wherever God has set us in His ways, to see that it is God who has set the members in the body as it has pleased Him, we are set there for the divine pleasure are we?

G.R.C. We are, and so God’s ordering has in view the sovereign place in the body, and coupled with that, that

Ques. Do you think that is why the Spirit was at pains in Acts 18 to enlarge upon the company at Corinth – who they were, how they got there, where they lived, and what their work was?

G.R.C. That is good. Aquila and Priscilla were there in the government of God, not of their own choice,

Rem. In that chapter – Acts 18 – you quoted that Paul was teaching among them the word of God.

G.R.C. Yes, I think so, because you have in mind in the preaching of the Word, securing persons relative to the tabernacle, as material for it and as set in relation to it. Is that so?

Rem. Yes I had that exactly in mind, I thought the service was not complete unless that end was reached.

G.R.C. Where it is possible, one would think the Spirit would often lead us to make some reference to the assembly in our preachings, not only for the sake of those brought up amongst us,

Rem. I think that is very good but very searching.

G.R.C. It might lead to exercise as to their responsibilities, relative to it.

Ques. I was going to ask about the use of the word ‘calling’ in Corinthians 1. Would that bear on what you are saying, the thought of being conscripted, the call of God? It is an imperative call, is it not?

G.R.C. “Saints by calling”.

Rem. And then “called into the fellowship of His Son” and so on.

G.R.C. Oh yes. As saints by calling we are set apart by the divine call, and then as you say, called into the fellowship.

Ques. Does not the work of God respond in a dignified way to the call? It speaks of the going forth to military service,

G.R.C. It is a dignified idea, it suggests a measure of spiritual manhood, not the thirty years old of the Levites, but sufficient development in manhood to defend the testimony.

Ques. Joseph is referred to in Hebrews as calling to mind the going forth of the sons of Israel, and he gives commandment concerning his bones. Was he not a man who was under commandment in relation to the testimony?

G.R.C. He certainly was.

Rem. In keeping with the wonderful thought of God abiding with us, what you are saying about the testimony shows how broad that must be too.

G.R.C. That is very helpful, so that, as you say, every meeting, and every part of our lives stands related to the testimony of God.

Ques. Would you say something more about this second month and second year? It is not the first month and the first year.

G.R.C. It may be that would enter into our development as to “twenty years old”, they had had a year’s experience of the grace of God when He met them in their murmurings in Exodus, without rebuke,

Ques. Might not the beginning of Romans 12 come into this matter, beseeching them by the compassions of God to present their bodies a living sacrifice? So that every person is completely surrendered to the will of God in this matter.

G.R.C. I think so, the good and perfect and acceptable will of God.

Ques. I would like to ask in regard to the setting in Numbers, is it not a fact that there were none feeble among their tribes?

G.R.C. In the early part of Numbers we have things set out in perfection according to the mind of God.

Ques. Was that seen at Pentecost?

G.R.C. It was, in a beautiful way, and I suppose it was seen at Ephesus.

Ques. Some of the physically sick amongst us are the Lord’s best warriors, are they not?

G.R.C. Quite so. Timothy was not a strong man, was he? The scripture speaks of frequent illnesses in connection with him.

Ques. What would you say as to the person to whom Jehovah spoke? It says,

G.R.C. Yes He does, Moses primarily, and then Aaron as linked with him, the priestly side, the sympathetic side, and

Rem. What is held universally to be held in every locality representatively you mean.

G.R.C. That is right.

Rem. I was wondering if, by way of the princes, the regulation that you spoke of is brought down to us in our localities?

G.R.C. That is good, and it is a very important matter. As we are saying, the military side involves our locality and households, and that our tents are pitched relative to the tabernacle;

Ques. The question of movement is in mind here is it not,

G.R.C. Yes, does it not cover both aspects? They were over all the vessels thereof, and all the things that belonged to it.

Rem. I was wondering whether, even in regard to the first passage as to the matter of conscription, the passage has in mind that the saints are to move together in relation to every movement of the testimony of God;

G.R.C. Yes, and there divine sovereignty operates. If we truly accept conscription we shall surely accept divine sovereignty as to where we are placed.

Ques. What is the thought of the Levites in verse 53 of chapter 1? They are to encamp round about the tabernacle of testimony,

G.R.C. The military side is in the beginning of chapter 2,

Ques. Having a more intimate position than the military. Is it interesting that in Exodus 6, the Spirit of God stops at the generation,

G.R.C. That is good. And in chapter 3, as no doubt you have noticed, it begins with

Ques. The passage in Romans 12 has been alluded to as bearing upon conscription.

G.R.C. Quite so. We have to extend it of course to all the saints, as it says earlier in that chapter, God has set the members in the body according as it has pleased Him.

Ques. Would you say what we are to understand by appointment? It seems to be here something rather compensatory to not being numbered.

G.R.C. They were numbered later from a month old and upward, but not numbered with the rest; this was a special appointment.

Ques. In what way does Paul use the word, in both the first and the second epistles to Timothy, where he says,

G.R.C. I think that would bear on this. What an appointment Paul had! He was appointed a herald and an apostle and a teacher of the nations in faith and truth;

Ques. What would you say as to persons being appointed, and our having confidence in persons who are appointed?

G.R.C. Do you mean that if it is the Lord’s appointment we should have confidence?

Rem. I was wondering how we could distinguish persons who have a sense, like Paul did, of being appointed, and then the question of confidence on our side in them.

G.R.C. Well, that is an important point, because Paul could speak of his appointment, he was quite sure of it; and every spiritual person would be sure of it,

Ques. In referring to the household of Stephanus, Paul speaks of them as devoted, which means appointed, does it not, as the note says, ‘an officer to a regiment’.

G.R.C. That is good.

Ques. Would the idea of appointment go along with the blessing of Levi?

G.R.C. That includes the priest as well, the whole tribe of Levi is in mind there.

Ques. When the apostle says to Timothy

G.R.C. I would say that. I think that is very helpful.

Ques. Is it of note that in 1 Chronicles chapter 9 the matter is carried forward by Ezra in the day of recovery,

G.R.C. I am glad you have mentioned that, we will have to look into that in our private time, because this idea of appointment impresses me greatly.

Rem. I referred to it because faithfulness is added to the matter.

Rem. And following on what Mr. H. has said, by the last words of David, the age limit was reduced for the Levites.

G.R.C. I think so. And I think in that way we have to distinguish between the military

Ques. The apostle says in 1 Corinthians 4: 9,

G.R.C. It is very affecting, because evidently the testimony required that divine appointment, the testimony required that the apostle should be appointed unto death. And of course we do not know what the appointment might be for us.

Ques. Would it help if you would say a word as to the distinction between the levitical and the priestly side of the service?

G.R.C. Perhaps we ought to begin by speaking about the priests, because that word in chapter 3, verse 10, is striking.

Rem. And the scripture makes no division between the priests, the sons of Aaron, and the office. It says

G.R.C. You mean the close link with Christ?

Rem. Yes, priest’s office would suggest the dignity conferred upon them, and that they cannot be separated from it.

G.R.C. Very good.

Ques. Had John that in mind in Revelation chapter 1, when he speaks of

G.R.C. I think the idea of a kingdom is set out in these early chapters of Numbers.

Ques. Does a priest always think as God thinks, or is exercised to do it at any rate, always thinking from God’s point of view?

G.R.C. Yes, and he has to maintain the service; it says in chapter 3, verse 38

Ques. So would the local brethren be the priestly family? Is the sanctuary worked out in our localities?

G.R.C. It is. We should all pitch our tents as priests, on the east side of the tabernacle, all our tents should be pitched there.

Ques. Does the term “attend to it” involve that things are done effectively in the Spirit?

G.R.C. I am sure that is right. We need to do it in the Spirit as you say, and to do it with application,

Rem. Samuel was called into this matter very early in life – I was thinking of your reference to those who are younger. Would it not be an encouragement to all to see that they can have a part in this matter?

G.R.C. I am sure it would. And it is encouraging that saints who are physically disabled are not disqualified from the priest’s office, the highest service remains open to them; they can attend to the priest’s office, in fact they have more time for intercession.

Ques. You spoke earlier of the kingly priesthood in 1 Peter chapter 2. Would the holy priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices be the highest character, and more what you have in mind now?

G.R.C. Yes, and then there is the other side, because, as it says, the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, they seek the law.

Rem. Yes, I was thinking of that passage. He is the messenger of Jehovah of hosts.

G.R.C. And we would like Mr. B’s remarks on priests and Levites.

Rem. One was only thinking of the immediate access to God that the priests have, and the force of anointing as specially bearing on the priests.

G.R.C. Yes, Exodus chapter 40 makes that clear, that the anointing shall be to you an everlasting priesthood; it is a beautiful thought, that we are priests in virtue of the anointing.

Ques. Would the priests always be on the alert for the approach of the stranger?

G.R.C. You mean it says

Ques. Is it remarkable that in days of recovery we get the thought of a teaching priest, as bearing upon the Levites?

G.R.C. I am sure. I feel it is very important to see that all priestly service is under the direction of the priest – Aaron himself primarily. But Christ Himself is the priest.

Ques. Would it help to be reminded that true priestly service really flows from the liberty and intelligence of a son? Does that help, and would it not encourage the youngest to come forward in it?

G.R.C. That is of the utmost importance; sonship is a relationship, priesthood is an office.

Rem. So that we really see the pattern in the beauty and fulness of it in the Lord Jesus Himself as the Son, do we not?

G.R.C. We do. That is a very important thing, that Hebrews brings out, that the Lord Jesus Himself is the Son.

Ques. Is it not important that in relation to Christ as great High Priest, the whole tabernacle system was anointed with oil without the application of blood?

G.R.C. Yes it was, it gives Him His unique position; but later, after the consecration, then the oil and the blood is sprinkled on Aaron and his sons.

Rem. I wondered if the military side, and the Levitical side, and the priestly side are not beautifully blended in Paul and Silas in Acts 16.

G.R.C. Very good indeed, and then the priestly note having been effective, praying and praising God with singing,

Ques. By way of contrast, in relation to this question of appointment which one feels very, very important,

G.R.C. Yes, that would be an ever present danger I suppose, but in the way we are speaking of it, this appointment in its measure is open to us all;

Ques. Should we all covet to have a sense of commission for anything we put our hand to?

G.R.C. I am sure we should. It speaks in chapter 4, verse 3

Ques. Is the principle seen in Mark 3, where it says of the Lord that He went up into the mountain and called whom He Himself would, and they went to Him, and

G.R.C. The general principle. The twelve were special of course, and what is special is allowed for in what our brother referred to at the end of 1 Corinthians 12.

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READING  2
Ordering of the Camp ( 2 )
The Passover in the Wilderness
Numbers 9: 1-17; 10: 11-13
Memorials 8: 28-50

G.R.C. We were occupied this afternoon with the ordering of the camp, God having come down to dwell among His people,

And so, if we think of Paul at the end of his life, in 2 Timothy, we see how his priestly energy was undimmed,

Then if we look at the beginning of chapter 7 for a moment, the dating goes back to the first day of the first month, on the day that Moses had completed the setting up of the tabernacle, and had anointed it.

That is the first thing I think we should consider this evening – the bearing of the passover on what has gone before in the ordering of the camp; and

Ques. Is the apostle, giving a backward look when he calls attention again to

G.R.C. I thought so. I think we have to see the difference between the celebration of the passover in Egypt and in the wilderness: and 1 Corinthians 5 is the wilderness setting of it.

Ques. Will you say another general word about those three settings please?

G.R.C. It seems to me that in Egypt itself the people would be considering their own need and their own peril,

Rem. I am sure what you are saying is right; we would like some help on this extended view in the wilderness and then in the land.

Ques. Would the passover eaten in the wilderness give more of an assembly view of it, and assembly experiences entering into it?

G.R.C. Yes, I would say that. God had the assembly in mind in the passover, because it is the first time the word assembly is used, I think, in scripture, Exodus 12,

Ques. Does it seem from chapter 9: 1 that this instruction as to the passover was one of the very early matters that God spoke of after the tabernacle had been set up?

G.R.C. Yes. It would appear that the tabernacle was set up, and then on that day the princes began to offer – the dedication of the altar – which would take twelve days,

Ques. Would Romans 3 for us be the passover as in Egypt? I am thinking of the quality of what is set forth in the blood of Christ.

G.R.C. It refers there to the blood on the mercy seat, really taking us to the centre, but one great point in the passover is that God was securing His firstborn.

Ques. Hebrews tells us that Moses celebrated the passover in Egypt, not that they did it. Is there any point in that?

G.R.C. I would think perhaps that it is just a question as to how far the people, who were on the point of leaving Egypt, can appreciate the bearing of it.

Ques. Is that why the time is counted from their departure out of the land of Egypt, not the time they have been in the wilderness exactly, but the time counting back to their departure from the land of Egypt?

G.R.C. Quite so, and I think in a way the whole of the wilderness journey is linked up in that way with their departure from the land of Egypt,

Ques. Would one aspect of recognising the world as a wilderness provide us with unhurried and restful condition of mind and heart in which we may fully appreciate what God has done in the passover?

G.R.C. I wondered that. So in these passages it is called in verse 7 the offering of Jehovah at its set time,

Ques. Does it not show that God would have us to consider the moral side of righteousness right through our course, whether it be individual or assembly?

G.R.C. Yes, because the passover brings freshly to us the rights of God, His complete and absolute rights over us.

Ques. Would the passover in Egypt be a matter of God judging sin, whereas here it seems to be the feature of uncleanness. Would that require deeper exercise relative to their wilderness life?

G.R.C. Yes, because in Egypt I suppose everything was unclean, but now that God is dwelling among His people there seemed to be sensibilities awakened among these men.

Ques. Does the appropriation of Christ in His unmitigated suffering not only secure a suited response from our hearts, but does it, do you think, develop these holy sensitive feelings so needed by us?

G.R.C. I think it would profoundly affect us, if we were to feed in restful conditions upon what it means – that the lamb was roast with fire, with the head and the legs and the inwards.

Ques. Does the apostle bring that forward in Corinthians,

G.R.C. What a price has been paid!

Ques. Would it promote strength and energy for movement? I was thinking of the way the first movement of the cloud follows closely upon these men in their seven days of unleavened bread, in fact the seven days would almost appear to merge in the movement.

G.R.C. That is very striking. In the first place, the feeding on the lamb roast with fire, during that night, no doubt gave them strength for the initial move out of Egypt.

Ques. Will you say something further about the second year – the first month of the second year, and then as to the second month of the second year?

G.R.C. I should think so. When you think of all that had taken place in the first year, all that had happened up to Sinai, and at Sinai, and the tabernacle;

Ques. And is it a testing matter when God brings us on to more spiritual ground? I am thinking of these unclean persons coming to light in this setting.

G.R.C. God coming to dwell among His people must make all the difference; the test becomes the supreme test then – God dwelling –

Ques. Could we apply this second month to the Corinthians after Paul had brought before them the truth as to the passover?

G.R.C. It would seem like it, as though the Corinthians would have to come in as a second month people.

Ques. Would you say that the provision of the second month in some sense brings the matter down to the days of recovery in which we have part?

G.R.C. That is what I thought. If you apply it generally, in these last days the truth of God dwelling amongst His people in these mixed conditions has been recovered

Ques. Why is the characteristic word in Exodus 12 “eat”, and the characteristic word in Numbers 9 “hold”?

G.R.C. So that this is not the initial leaving of Egypt, but the memorial of it in which we have a far greater appreciation of it than we could have had when we were occupied with getting away from the land of judgment.

Ques. Is it not put that way in Deuteronomy 16:

G.R.C. Yes.

Ques. Would the keeping of the passover in Numbers 9 raise the question of finer sensibilities on the part of these men who felt they were disqualified, so that Moses inquires of God what to do?

G.R.C. Yes; and did not those sensibilities arise from the fact that God was dwelling amongst His people?

Ques. What is the significance of the expression that is used two or three times in regard to this matter, that it is

G.R.C. I think in Deuteronomy 16 it is defined as at the going down of the sun. The going down of the sun, I take it, was between the two evenings – the evening that closed one day and the evening that began the next.

Ques. Is the word so much repeated,

G.R.C. Quite so. And the basis of those rights of God over us lies in the passover.

Ques. Why is there an emphasis on the unleavened bread and bitter herbs in the second month? It is not mentioned the first time.

G.R.C. It would be included in that they were to hold it according to all the rites thereof:

Ques. What kind of leaven are we particularly expected to meet in this wilderness setting? You helped us in London as to getting free of Egypt,

G.R.C. I think it would be those items that you have mentioned, that Paul refers to in 1 Corinthians 5;

Ques. Is it in your mind that in this passage there is no thought of any shelter from judgment involved,

G.R.C. That is just what I had in mind.

Ques. Is it remarkable that in the case of the men who keep it the second month you have the word in verse 12,

G.R.C. How are you applying that?

Rem. I thought that there was a certain advance in this second month.

Ques. Is not that quotation from the Psalm?

Rem. Very probably, but I wondered if it all set out the grace of the present moment, and the way things are made more precious to the saints in days of recovery!

G.R.C. Yes, but does not that expression occur in Exodus 12 as well?

Rem. Yes, verse 46.

G.R.C. I would like to get more clearly what is in your mind as to not a bone broken.

Rem. I thought it brought before us a sense of the blessedness and even deity of the Person Who is our passover.

G.R.C. Yes.

Rem. I want to get this clear. There was only one passover, was there? But is not Numbers 9 a memorial? The Lord Jesus only died once.

G.R.C. Yes, this was the memorial of the passover, although it says the children of Israel shall hold the passover at its set time.

Rem. All one had in mind was the scripture in Hebrews:

G.R.C. Quite so, but it does not alter the fact of the spiritual appropriation involved.

Ques. Are you thinking than an outcome of God dwelling among His people consciously, is that those people would have a deepening appreciation, as years went by, of the value of the sacrifice of Christ?

G.R.C. Yes; therefore as the years go by there should be a deepening appreciation with us, and a deepening response in affections of firstborn sons to God.

Rem. So that the real gain of the passover is positive not negative – what there is supremely for God.

G.R.C. That is the real thing.

Ques. Is the presentation of the offering of our God the recognition on the part of the firstborn of God’s claims? God is before their souls, not their initial benefit from the passover.

G.R.C. That is just the thing. They are not thinking here of their benefit, as you say, it is the offering of Jehovah at its set time;

Ques. In 1 Corinthians 10, after the exhortation to flee from idolatry, the apostle brings in the communion of the blood of the Christ, and the communion of the body of the Christ. Is that to be a lever in our souls in connection with this matter?

G.R.C. I am sure it is, and yet of course there is a distinction because that is relating to the altar; the altar had been set up and dedicated, that is the communion, they were committed to that, the fellowship.

Rem. God had said to Abraham at the outset that His people would leave Egypt with great property; that was not to be a personal property was it, but property to serve Him well with in all His interests.

G.R.C. That is it, so that He lays claim really to all that we have and all that we are.

Ques. Would you connect it with Paul’s reference to being purchased with the blood of His own, the assembly? It is God’s own property at such a cost.

G.R.C. Yes, the blood of His own. The thought of purchase is very affecting.

Ques. Following the word as to the passover, and the exhortation

G.R.C. Yes, you are thinking of the price.

Rem. Yes, and I am thinking of this coming in following the sacrifice,

G.R.C. Yes, so that we are not only redeemed but purchased. We are not our own. We have been bought with a price, we belong to God, and we are to glorify God in our bodies, and that involves His total claims upon us.

Rem. The question of the keeping of the passover seems to be a most essential one,

G.R.C. I am glad you have taken us on to those two sides. Those who were unclean here were rightly exercised, and I suppose in that sense God valued the exercise,

Ques. Is it particularly encouraging that they not only are exercised about their uncleanness, but they own it?

G.R.C. Yes it is,

Rem. The wonderful grace of the dispensation comes out as we own matters.

G.R.C. Quite so. There is divine provision if we own matters.

Ques. Would you suggest in that way that there is a possibility of us being outwardly clean and yet not being self judged inwardly?

G.R.C. Yes; that is a very solemn thing. Here God says,

Rem. We would have to bear in mind that they were kept from eating.

G.R.C. Yes we may come to that, in our later readings in this book.

Ques. What would you say about a dead body. Is it not a very illuminating expression? There is moral death in remaining in touch with it, is there not?

G.R.C. I would not think these persons did.

Rem. I would judge that. I was only speaking of the seriousness of being linked up with a dead body, and the incumbency upon us all, if that is the state of affairs, to get clear as quickly as possible.

G.R.C. I would say these persons were unclean by reason of a dead body of a man, but it does not mean that they were still touching the dead body,

Ques. Is not the point here that these persons were disqualified from eating the passover until they were clean?

G.R.C. Yes, that is the point.

Ques. Why is it that we have not the provision yet, for their becoming clean, until chapter 19?

G.R.C. Well there you get the statute relative to it; it comes later in the wilderness journey, the definite statute is in chapter 19, and perhaps bears specially on our day.

Ques. Why do you think that Moses felt a special enquiry of Jehovah was needed?

G.R.C. Would it be because no such situation had arisen before? What do you say about it?

Rem. I thought it showed the importance Moses attached to this matter of uncleanness.

G.R.C. Yes.

Rem. In the matter of the daughters of Zelophehad Moses had to look into the matter.

G.R.C. Yes, a very different exercise of course, but there again enquiry had to be made.

Ques. Would not the genuineness of the exercise of these men be seen at the end of verse 6,

G.R.C. If we apply it in that way as to the dispensation we have all come in as second month men, because the case in Hezekiah’s day bears on that, 2 Chronicles 30, where

Rem. But there was not any delay here, was there?

G.R.C. No, but in 2 Chronicles 30: 2, it says

Rem. I think if we understood that it would magnify grace to us.

G.R.C. Quite so. And then in Hezekiah’s day they keep the passover on the second month, a very great congregation, in verse 13. And then in what follows it says,

Ques. And would not the delay between the first and second month result in a deeper exercise and greater yield?

G.R.C. I would think that is how it worked out through the goodness of God.

Ques. Is there a test different in movement from dwelling? I know that the dwelling does not cease, but would the goings of God be reflected in the cloud?

G.R.C. Yes, it is God Himself moving. God Himself initiates the movement. And if we are in the gain of the passover we shall be ready for movement.

Ques. Do you connect it with the expression in 2 Corinthians

G.R.C. I thought so. We would like to move with God. God is moving, God is walking, and He would walk among His people. It is not His thought to leave His people behind.

Ques. You said earlier that when the cloud moved the priests and the Levites sprang into action and a good deal of energy and activity was taking place. Would you mind helping us as to how that would operate today?

G.R.C. To begin with, the priests would sound the alarm, or rather it says the silver trumpets were for the calling together of the assembly and for the journeyings of the camps. And then in verse 5:

Rem. That would involve very close working would it not? Does not Levi’s name mean ‘united’?

G.R.C. Yes. United in the sense of united to one another as Levites, and united to the priests.

Rem. I wondered in that way if it could be said that the passover was the basis of the relationships between God and the people;

G.R.C. It would, and the neighbourly element comes in relative to it, as to the feeding.

Ques. Does there seem to be some definite link between the eating of the passover and movement? In Exodus 12 they ate it with their loins girded; it was a move out of Egypt,

G.R.C. It seems like that. The timing was the twentieth day of the second month; so that the second month passover had been partaken of, and the days of unleavened bread were almost completed.

Ques. So that whilst in one sense God’s movements are entirely sovereign, and no one could anticipate them, does He take account of conditions amongst the saints in regard to His movements?

G.R.C. I am sure He does; because, after all, God moved with them for 40 years; what patience there was in that, when it should have been eleven days journey!

Ques. Would there be a special glory about this initial movement, because everything was in perfection, at least, as regulated by the presence of God.

G.R.C. Do you think that normally each movement would bring a shining forth?

Rem. Some fresh, added glory, especially as the land was approached, for all these movements are credited with being eastward are they not?

G.R.C. Yes.

Rem. It says “so it was continually”.

G.R.C. Yes, the cloud was there continuously even when the camp was stationary. But then in chapter 10: 11 the cloud was taken up from off the tabernacle of testimony.

Ques. John’s ministry has been referred to earlier, is it not significant that he ends his ministry with warnings?

G.R.C. That is interesting, that John should warn us like that; we need warning.

Ques. Would the passover sharpen the spiritual vision and spiritual hearing of the saints, so that as the cloud moved the saints were alert and moved with God?

G.R.C. Yes, really the firstborn affections are there energetically. That is God’s portion from the passover, the affections of the firstborn.

Ques. Would there be any moral link at all between the appearance of fire here, and the lamb roast with fire, in the passover?

G.R.C. So that our God is a consuming fire.

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