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The Return of the Glory
and other
Ministry by E. J. McBride

 
Introduction
1. The Return of the Glory
2. Securing the Glory Morally Now
3. The Testimony of Glory
4. The Entrance into Glory
5. Sonship
6. Marks of the Spiritual Man
7. His Inheritance
8. The Spiritual Constitution of the Assembly
9. How God Secures His Great End on Earth
10. The True Israel
11. Possibilities
 







INTRODUCTION
Ministry by E. J. McBride

E. J. McBride

In the early 1900's, Mr. McBride served widely in Great Britain and elsewhere in the ministry of the word.

The series, 'The Return of the Glory' is challenging, has valuable instruction, and is still very much needed in these last days.

G.A.R.

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THE  RETURN  OF  THE  GLORY
Luke 2: 8-14; Romans 5: 1, 2; Colossians 1: 24-28; 1 Peter 4: 12-14
From 'The Return of the Glory', pp. 5-24, Southport, January 1925

E.J.McB. What I had chiefly before me was that the Lord might give us exercises that we should be able, under His gracious hand, to secure the return of the glory.

Ques. Will you tell us what is in your mind as to the glory?

E.J.McB. I think the idea of glory is that you secure the demonstration of the presence of God here. I think 'glory' in its essence is the moral outshining of the effulgence of the being spoken of.

Ques. In what way has the glory gone into retirement?

E.J.McB. I think the assembly position has not been publicly maintained. Saints have not been together in unity.

Ques. Do you think that the features coming back among two would secure the glory?

E.J.McB. I think they might be secured in one person. If a person suffers as a christian – he might be the only believer publicly recognised in the village – the Spirit of glory rests upon him.

Rem. Glory would be the shining out of Christ in an individual. You would not get the same effulgence in an individual as in the company.

E.J.McB. It would be the same character of effulgence in the company as that coming out in individuals. It is secured in measure in individuals, but the point is that it is secured in a vessel.

Ques. Why do you specially refer to the shepherds watching their flock by night?

E.J.McB. It indicates a restoration of the spirit of faith that marked the first beginnings of God's work in man, for Abel was a keeper of sheep, and the spirit of faith is the important point – that we should not be thinking that everything is lost.

Ques. Would you watch the flock in view of the coming day?

E.J.McB. Yes, in view of the morning, the morning that has no night.

Ques. That would be very like the spirit of Christ in Paul, would it not?

E.J.McB. Undoubtedly, and I think that the Lord is reviving amongst us a spirit of faith. The spirit of faith is in accord with the word. Christ is in heaven as a glorified Man, and that should dominate the situation for us.

Rem. So that although numbers might be few, faith would take account of the immense possibilities. We are not told how many shepherds there were.

E.J.McB. There were not many, but the angel speaks of "all the people". We have, perhaps, got a limited idea of them, but the glad tidings were to be to all the people.

Ques. Say a little more about the shepherds in Luke. Do you think that the spirit of caring for the flock would be seen today in the way in which we care for the interests of Christ here?

E.J.McB. Yes, I would not like you to go to Christ in glory and leave a single person in Southport behind, if you could take them with you. That is the spirit of the shepherd, and the darker the night the more would you be marked by that spirit of watching the flock.

Ques. Is there any significance in the fact that the shepherds were abiding without?

E.J.McB. There was no 'within'. We came out to Him, and we have never been able to go back again. I do not think there is any real 'within' until we go home. That is my impression as far as the world is concerned.

Ques. What about Hebrews, "within the veil"?

E.J.McB. Well, is not that home?

Ques. I was wondering whether we get it now?

E.J.McB. You can go home as often as you like; that is one of the privileges of the family. You have not got to wait for holidays. 'His presence is our home'. Hymn 12.

Rem. It is encouraging to see that in the coming in of Christ the first result is

Ques. What do you call the first move of glory Godward in regard to a soul?

E.J.McB. I think that is a point of immense interest. The first move of glory Godward in regard to a soul, is the admission of need. I do not know anything that is more delightful to heaven, and creates more joy than that recognition on the part of man.

Rem. When Saul of Tarsus began to pray it was taken account of in heaven.

E.J.McB. There is joy in heaven over one repenting sinner, because that one sinner is going to be a vessel of glory. There is a contributive element to the glory of God in one repenting sinner.

Ques. How does need contribute to the glory of God?

E.J.McB. Because it shows you that you cannot do without Him, and man was made for God's glory, and when he admits need he is admitting that.

Ques. Is that the first step towards recovery?

E.J.McB. Yes, and it is an evidence of His glory when man admits it.

Ques. Was not that a reason why the glory departed from Israel, because they did not recognise their need of Jehovah?

Rem. So that to secure what you are speaking about we have to be as a people in a sense of need?

E.J.McB. Yes, I think you will have to admit that many of our Bible readings, and meetings for ministry, fail in spiritual power because we regard ourselves as efficient, and the Lord in His goodness says, 'Well, if you are efficient you will hardly need Me'.

Rem. With regard to the coming of the Lord in Luke, it seems that the glory was the one great end in view.

E.J.McB. The coming of Christ into this world was to secure glory to God.

Ques. How did Christ secure glory to God?

E.J.McB. The features of it are very easily seen. God had demonstrated in the garden how He could influence the scene, and how under that influence gold would come into evidence. One of the first things found where the river out of Eden flowed was gold.

Rem. There is a suggestion of suffering in connection with the intimation.

E.J.McB. That is what Peter secures. A person who does not suffer as a christian is not contributing an element of glory to the local company to which he belongs.

Rem. What was lost in Genesis is secured in Christ when He comes.

E.J.McB. Go a little farther. What was lost in Genesis is secured in Luke with additional glory.

Rem. The name of the first river means overflowing.

E.J.McB. Yes, the earth is going to be covered with the glory of Christ. That makes Christ very great.

Ques. How are you going to secure that now?

E.J.McB. The shining of the glory results in movement towards Christ.

Ques. Why does the idea of fear come in? "They feared with great fear".

E.J.McB. When God begins to seek His own interests He produces a spirit of real exercise on our part, a kind of holy exercise as to the gravity of the thing at stake. I think we want to be marked by the "fear of the Lord". It is the beginning of wisdom.

Ques. Do you suggest an analogy between the period mentioned in Luke, and the present moment? There had evidently been a long period of preparation for the coming of this One, and I suppose we are now passing through the period of preparation in view of His coming in in glory.

E.J.McB. Yes; before the first coming of Christ, God had raised up a king – Ezra 7: 27 – to beautify the house of the Lord. One feels that the house is being beautified today in view of His return, and that He is beautifying it in our eyes. We are learning to cherish more the truth of the house of God.

Ques. Do you think that the apostle had the assembly in view when speaking of the glory of God?

E.J.McB. Undoubtedly. Now the mystery is this: what Christ was personally on earth as the Vessel of glory, the body of Christ – His assembly – is to be during His absence.

Rem. The features of Christ are to come out now among us.

E.J.McB. The amazing thing is that they come out among gentiles. It was no new thing for the Jews to have the glory, but the marvellous thing now is that being amongst the gentiles, Christ was expressed by the gentiles.

Rem. It is the assembly now to whom belongs the glory.

E.J.McB. "Assemblies, Christ's glory", 2 Corinthians 8: 23, we read. That is said in connection with brethren who were deputed messengers, carrying ministrations from one company to another.

Rem. It is said, too, that the city has the glory of God. Where did she get it?

E.J.McB. Here. We become acquainted down here with Christ as the expression of God in His moral being; the assembly thus gets her impressions and takes them up with her. The point we want to reach is that there should be the glory here and now.

Ques. How does that work out in Colossians?

E.J.McB. Colossians would free the Gentile mind from looking in any direction whatever for light, help, or upkeep, except to Christ.

Ques. Will you say a word on "Christ in you the hope of glory", whom we preach?

E.J.McB. The anointed Vessel, which exhibited all God's moral attributes had come to be resident in the company, and the apostle says that that is the only kind of preaching we have.

Ques. Is that the idea of presenting every man "perfect in Christ"?

E.J.McB. Yes. I think we sometimes lack the shepherd care that marked the beginning, and when the soul is converted we rest, but we have to watch the flock by night.

Rem. I was interested to see that when Moses went up to mount Abarim, and was told that his day was done, he prayed to God for a man with a shepherd spirit to be set over the assembly.

E.J.McB. You do not want a warrior to lead you into privilege, but a sympathiser. You want a person who knows the entanglements of the outside system, and who will be with you while you are brought through them.

Rem. You were speaking of watching the flock all through the night. What did the shepherds do with the flock when they went to Bethlehem?

E.J.McB. They took it with them – not physically, of course; I mean that as having the true spirit, you are standing by them in heart, and you are watching interests that will be salvation to them.

Rem. We ought to exhibit the features of the Colossian saints.

E.J.McB. What is one of them like? I want to see the features of a man that belongs to that sort of company.

Ques. Is that the thought of the tabernacle boards being overlaid with pure gold?

E.J.McB. Yes.

Ques. What is the connection between the hope of glory, and the present glory you have spoken of?

E.J.McB. The land is in view, and Christ becomes very great, and you say, 'Wonderful day, and I shall be in it'. You begin to feel that amongst the saints there are instincts, and affections that belong to heaven.

Rem. The hope is always there before us, I take it, till we actually reach glory.

Ques. Would you agree with the thought that every gathering should be expressive of "Christ in you the hope of glory"?

E.J.McB. There are special occasions on which you can enter into the elements of glory.

Ques. Is that the idea of "from glory to glory"?

E.J.McB. Yes, in connection with the ministry of the new covenant; and the effect of it is we all become like one another.

Rem. Peter connects the suffering with the glory. The difficulty on our part is that we are not really prepared to accept the suffering.

E.J.McB. Yes; how did Christ enter into His glory? By suffering. I suppose there could not have been any glory apart from suffering.

Rem. You could understand that the gospel would go out in great power. Is it that the man comes out like God?

E.J.McB. That is right. That is what God intended at the beginning. Man was made in the image and likeness of God. No matter what breakdown has come in, God has never lost really.

Rem. When it is a question of bringing in the glory in an outward way it will be very quickly accomplished.

E.J.McB. It will. "Suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host". It will not take long for God to bring in the glory to cover the whole scene.

Ques. Where is the suggestion of suffering in connection with the first scripture?

E.J.McB. In the Babe coming into this world. Almost everyone has some sort of a home, but He had not "where to lay his head".

Rem. In the book of the Revelation when the city comes out of heaven having the glory of God, the nations walk in the light of it.

E.J.McB. I think the first evidence of it was when the Ethiopian eunuch came up. The rays of the glory had reached Ethiopia, and he came up to find the centre of glory.

Rem. I suppose the gain of His first coming was available to all Israel. And although there may be very few in the light of the coming glory, and of what God is going to bring into view, yet if we have an exercise to be found in that light, do you think the whole assembly will get the gain of it?

E.J.McB. If you get half a dozen saints in the world with the light of the glory in their souls, the whole assembly gets the benefit of it.

Ques. In what way?

E.J.McB. It is like the sun. Nothing is hid from the heat thereof, it is very far-reaching.

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SECURING  THE  GLORY  MORALLY  NOW
Ezekiel 1: 1-4; Haggai 2: 4-9; Romans 16: 25-27; Jude 20
From 'The Return of the Glory', pp. 25 – 40, Southport, January 1925

I want to say a word or two, beloved, as to the way the Lord would encourage an individual believer who had exercises as to His interests, and who longed to secure the glory; how He would encourage such an one in a day like the present.

The exercises in Isaiah are to secure the evangelical spirit of Jehovah in Israel. In other words, to break down the contracted, selfish, national spirit that marked them, about which there was no glory, and to put in its place an enlarged spirit of liberty and affection that would go out to every one.

Jeremiah, as I understand it, takes hold of you at that moment, and would substitute the Spirit of Christ for your spirit.

Now Ezekiel comes along at this stage to take account of you as a believer marked by the Spirit of Christ. What is going to be the end of the Spirit of Christ, beloved?

People sometimes say, speaking of their own meeting, 'I don't know why it is that we do not get any refreshment or any light'. Have you built up a place for one brother, for one special person, more than another?

What are the visions of God? If God had His way with you, what He would show you is Christ.

Ezekiel goes on to say, "And I looked, and behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the look of glowing brass, out of the midst of the fire".

The point I would like to establish with each believer, is to take your place in the captivity.

Now the prophet Haggai comes in to help. We read there,

Then the Lord says, "The word that I covenanted with you when ye came out of Egypt, and my Spirit, remain among you".

Haggai then describes it very beautifully.

I shall say a word now on the working out of this practically. You may say, 'It is all very well to talk like that, but you know we are ordinary common mortals'.

When you begin to look for it the first thing you want to learn is how it came into existence. As you learn to contemplate Christ, you will become so intensely interested in Him that you will be absorbed.

What is the object of the preaching? It is to lay hold of souls, and to bring them out of the kingdom of darkness, into the kingdom of the Son of God's love, and to put them down amongst other believers, so that there may be a sphere in which Christ can have His present portion.

I want to press in regard of this epistle the importance of looking at chapter 3 as the vision of God.

We are in the last days of the history of man, as well as of the assembly, and things are worse than they have ever been. Men are actually blaspheming God.

You are going into a shop to buy a pound of tea, and in the doorway of the shop you meet a brother. Now that is an occasion to work.

Jude then goes on to speak of our exercises in the work; some have to be saved with fear, snatching them out of the fire, and we are to hate even the garment spotted by the flesh. These are the activities of work. Then he comes to that beautiful passage,

Jude concludes with that touching expression, "To the only God our Saviour". I like that,

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THE  TESTIMONY  OF  GLORY
Psalm 19: 1-6; 2 Corinthians 3: 16-18; Revelation 21: 9-14
From 'The Return of the Glory', pp. 41-60, Southport, January 1925

E.J.McB. I think it must be evident that the present christian testimony in its highest character is connected with the thought of glory.

Rem. There is a glory connected with Israel. In Romans 9: 4 we read, "Whose is … the glory".

E.J.McB. Yes, and there is a glory connected with manhood – natural glory. I take it Israel's glory will be that they will be the head of the nations.

Rem. "A glory as of an only-begotten with a father", John 1: 14. That would be the very highest point?

E.J.McB. That is right, the very highest point. It is the radiancy of that which is to fill everything, and from which every family will take character. If we knew better the generation to which we belong, we should be a dignified people.

Rem. That is very beautiful, because we see that in Christ: He lived on account of the Father.

E.J.McB. Yes, "All my springs are in thee", Psalm 87: 7. He was as a root out of dry ground. The ground yielded nothing to Christ.

Rem. All His joys were derived from heaven.

E.J.McB. Yes. You may ask the question, Why did God lay the Israelite aside, and frame a vessel entirely from heaven? The greatest of men whom God raised up – remarkable men – failed Him, so He brings in His own Man out of heaven.

Ques. I suppose that everything now has to be patterned after that Man?

E.J.McB. Yes. The church lost glory when she received support from the earth.

Ques. When you spoke about the conversion of Saul, had you in mind this vessel being formed from the glory?

E.J.McB. Yes, and it is not difficult for any believer, who reads his Bible to discern that we get an entirely new note introduced in the assembly's constitution with Paul's ministry – a note that the early apostles found some difficulty in picking up in their music.

Ques. What is the new note you speak of?

E.J.McB. The heavenly note. You can understand Peter's difficulty as to the sheet let down. It was let down from heaven, it was taken up to heaven, its only contact with earth was for the conversion of Peter. It had done its work when Peter was converted. It had no interests here, it belonged entirely and exclusively to heaven.

Ques. When you say Peter was converted, you mean to the truth of the Gentile being admitted?

E.J.McB. Yes; you can see the necessity for Peter's conversion, because he had the keys; and if you do not convert the doorkeeper you will have no one in heaven.

Ques. Is the gospel, then, the gospel of the glory of the blessed God?

E.J.McB. Yes, the outshining of the radiancy of God.

Ques. In connection with the glory and what is heavenly, do we not get that in John's gospel?

E.J.McB. That touches a very important point – the necessity for John's ministry.

Ques. "We have contemplated his glory", John 1: 14 – was that not special to the apostles?

E.J.McB. Well, I suppose it was. They had a unique position in relation to Christ. But then they have described the position and shown us the way into it, so that it does not remain unique any more.

Rem. I can understand your remark in regard of what comes from heaven, from the glory, that there is nothing here that will add to it, and it must go back there.

E.J.McB. That is right. People ask sometimes, 'Why all this history of sorrow, why all these trials and tribulations?'

Ques. Do you connect the framing of it with the discipline of the way?

E.J.McB. Yes; all the history of your life here with all its vicissitudes, its exercises, its joys and its sorrows, is being used of God to form each one who shall stand as part – a component part – of that stupendous structure that will be adequate to have the glory of God.

Ques. Is that the thought of transformation?

E.J.McB. Yes, and not only transformation, but transparency; it is clear as crystal. There was no doubt whatever that nothing about the Person of Christ hid the radiancy of God that was there.

Rem. This makes the assembly very great, because if Christ was here and He was transparent, and there was nothing to hide the shining out of the glory, the assembly should be here with the same features.

E.J.McB. Yes, and all God's operations now have in view the assembly being formed for Him, not for men.

Ques. Must there not be training by the way, as the moulder with his hammer would straighten things out?

E.J.McB. Yes; John helps you there. He says,

Rem. It says, too, "he rejoiceth as a strong man to run the race". He must have something in view if He rejoiceth.

E.J.McB. I think the Spirit secures bridal affections now, so that He is not disappointed. I like the thought of Christ coming out, because if He comes to His people He will find the affections there that will be fully developed in the glory.

In the epistle to the Corinthians you have the local company, and the exercise of the apostle is that the local company should be in order.

Ques. Will you explain what you meant, when you said in the first epistle the apostle was setting things in order so that he might present the glory?

E.J.McB. What I think is that, under that line of ministry, he liberates a soul to such an extent that the soul is prepared to follow the whole line. He could not stop short, and I think sometimes you feel, when under a ministry of Christ, as if you had arrived there.

Rem. Then we should be like Stephen. We should want to go there now.

E.J.McB. When God opens heaven and the blessedness of it lays hold of you, you say, 'Well, how long have I to wait?'

Rem. Do you suggest, then, that it is the glory really which liberates?

E.J.McB. Yes, I do. There is no doubt whatever that if we were under the shining of the covenant, being held by the Lord of glory, we should be changed.

Rem. Then in chapter 4 it says, "We have this treasure in earthen vessels".

E.J.McB. Now a man is liberated from what is here because he looks at his body as the earthen vessel that holds the deposit. Your impressions of Christ are infinitely greater than the vessel in which they are.

Rem. They are too great.

E.J.McB. Yes, they would be.

Rem. The thought is very beautiful that God is forming a vessel that is great enough to express Christ. He is forming the holy city which, when it comes out of heaven, will be great enough to express Christ, and when the display comes, it will have the glory of God.

E.J.McB. That will be the end of all God's ways with us. Saints will write their hallelujah psalms in the ways of God with them, and everything that hath breath will praise the Lord.

Ques. Do you mean in the way of being together in affection?

E.J.McB. Yes, quite so. The fact of brethren being together because they are in the room is merely an ecclesiastical church position that is public.

Rem. As the Scripture says, "We all, looking on the glory of the Lord". We should begin to move in this connection if we were all looking on the glory of the Lord.

E.J.McB. Now do you not think we should be right in saying that the supreme point of glory that God has secured in the Administrator is this, that He can frame a vessel to hold the glory.

Ques. Is chapter 3 the process in view of that? Is it progressive "from glory to glory"?

E.J.McB. We become more like one another – that is, those formed according to the same image – so that it will become apparent to the world when the assembly goes up. 'Why, they might all be brothers, they are so like one another'. As a matter of fact, they are all brothers.

Rem. That is interesting – to be like one another, and in many respects so unalike. You referred to Joseph, who had the power to put every one in the place in which he wanted him. I suppose the same thing is true with us. The Lord can put each one in his place, and each one would have the same object – the glory of the Lord would be the end in view.

E.J.McB. Yes. John's first impression when he was called into heaven was radiancy. Revelation 4: 1-3. That is the first impression.

Rem. Speaking of the precious stones again, there should be with us ability to recognise these things. We shall see them readily enough in the glory, but we may see them now.

Rem. In chapter 3 it is, "transformed according to the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Lord the Spirit". Why is that?

E.J.McB. As I understand it, it is not that He told you to do it, not because you ought to do it, but you get imbued with the spirit of the Transformer.

Referring to the Psalm again, we read as to the sun, "there is nothing hid from the heat thereof". Sometimes people talk about not being evangelical. They think one can be evangelical by visiting the houses of people who do not know Christ, but if we were to secure proper assembly conditions on the heavenly line, I am sure the heat of the sun would be felt. That is testimony.

Rem. "The shining forth of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ", 2 Corinthians 4: 6.

E.J.McB. "We have this treasure in earthen vessels".

Rem. The vessel was broken when they stoned Stephen, but the glory shone out then.

E.J.McB. The actual language of the heavenly man came out there.

Ques. What is seen in Stephen is beautiful. How could that be produced in us?

E.J.McB. It is a very real thing. In 2 Corinthians 4: 10, we read,

Rem. Then the life of Jesus is manifested in our body?

E.J.McB. It is remarkable. It does not say bearing about in the body the death of Jesus, but the "dying".

Ques. What is the difference?

E.J.McB. The death was one act; the dying of Jesus is from John 11 to 19. Those peculiar utterances, those peculiar affections, that would introduce the light of an entirely different scene into this scene, that is the dying of Jesus.

Rem. Paul wished for the conversion of Agrippa and those who were with him.

E.J.McB. He did, indeed, and I have never met a christian yet who was badly treated by a man, who would not have done all he could for the man's soul's interests. That is the kind of spirit a christian has. A man comes and tries to destroy your trade. You ask him to a gospel meeting.

Ques. That is how the jailor was converted, was it not?

E.J.McB. That is a choice sample. Now in Revelation you get the city coming out of heaven, and one of the angels who had the seven last plagues, having come to show it to John.

Ques. Do you mean that this goes back to an earlier part of the book of Revelation? That is before the plagues are inflicted.

E.J.McB. Yes. The seven last plagues, I mean the whole history of plagues, has been God's way of framing this vessel.

Rem. That is interesting, because the plague order would seem to be over in Revelation 21: 9, It says "one of the seven angels which had had … the seven last plagues".

E.J.McB. I do not know anything that is more valuable to us, than to recognise that everything that God has had on this earth has had a contributing element in the formation of the assembly.

Ques. Give us an example.

E.J.McB. He had to destroy the city of Sodom, but it brought to light that He saved a righteous soul. That is an actual assembly feature. It was brought to light that there was a righteous soul, vexed by the filthy conversation of the wicked, and God has developed that soul in such conditions. That is marvellous. It is an assembly feature.

Rem. I suppose the plagues are in connection with clearing the scene, are they not?

E.J.McB. It is very much like display here. If we could sit down and see that everything has been swept away, it would be a great thing. The carrying of it out publicly is, I think, a detail.

Rem. John was a long way from the breakdown here in the mountain, was he not?

E.J.McB. That, I consider, is the value of the Supper. There is nothing that takes one away from the breakdown like the Supper. You might be millions of miles away.

Rem. In the transfiguration the Lord took His disciples into a high mountain, but when He would give a view of the bride it is to a great and high mountain.

Ques. Is Balaam's prophecy in line with this?

E.J.McB. Yes. I think Balaam's position is that he is made to see the people as Jehovah sees them. The exercises of the scene of ruin would bring one into line with what God is doing.

Rem. So that to be conversant with God's movements, helps us in the understanding of the vessel that is formed for His glory?

E.J.McB. There is nothing that is of greater value to the saints than to look at the moral issues of anything. You say, 'There is no harm in that', but what is the moral issue of it? And when you see that, you turn away. 'Now', He says, 'I will show you the moral issue of all God's ways'.

Rem. That is interesting. It is not a question of the harm of a thing, but what it is going to lead to.

Rem. If we considered the moral issue of things it would affect us in our daily life.

E.J.McB. Yes. If we were "bearing about in the body the dying of Jesus", and the new creation's stainless light were dawning in our souls, we should be in accord with God as to moral issues.

Ques. So there is not only transformation, but there is transparency. Sometimes we speak about reflection. Now reflection is not quite enough, is it?

E.J.McB. A looking-glass is reflection. That is why I used the word radiancy. Reflection means that you have got a peculiar substance behind it, but in radiancy the things go through and through it; it comes out from all quarters – in every part of it.

Ques. It has been said, 'The pearl is a supreme assembly thought'. Why?

E.J.McB. Because it is what Christ gave Himself for. Ephesians describes the heavenly vessel – that epistle is really the charter of the assembly position.

Rem. Christ loved the assembly and gave himself for it. He had that in view, as it is coming out here.

E.J.McB. He had that in view; the passage describes the man and the woman as of one another.

Rem. What marvellous expressions, "blameless before him in love".

Rem. He presents it to Himself glorious.

E.J.McB. Yes. Suppose some one gives you a choice, exotic plant, to carry home to your wife, and you do not know how to carry it home. You are afraid of injuring one petal, and you think an injury to the smallest petal would spoil the beauty of the whole thing. Here is a vessel of transparency that has been carried home, and there is not a petal spoilt.

Rem. It is very wonderful.

Rem. "What hath God wrought!"

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THE  ENTRANCE  INTO  GLORY
Psalm 24: 1-10; Luke 24: 50-53
From 'The Return of the Glory', pp. 61-78, Southport, January 1925

E.J.McB. I think we may take it that the great principles of access are established in Christ

Ques. What do you mean by the principles of access?

E.J.McB. How we enter into the glory now practically. We shall actually enter into it by and by.

Ques. Go on where?

E.J.McB. Into display. 'On His Father's throne is seated Christ the Lord, the Living One'. Hymn 404. Many a meeting travels into the joys of the thousand years, and misses the joys of heaven. The thousand years is on earth, is it not?

Rem. There is an earthly side, but it is connected with the coming of Christ in power and great glory, is it not?

E.J.McB. Yes, I think the point in Psalm 24 is not so much that privilege is open, but who it is that opens it. Not the vast, stupendous system that has been opened up, but He who has opened it, so that we can enter into the heavenly side of things.

Ques. Would not that be going farther still?

E.J.McB. It would be going higher, but not farther. You want to go higher, but you do not want to go into things that are not yet public.

Ques. Do you look upon Bethany as being very close to heaven?

E.J.McB. I do, the portals of heaven are there. You will observe in John 12 and 14 the Lord opens out two things to them from Bethany.

Rem. Those are conditions for entering into the holiest, and for really entering into privilege?

E.J.McB. Yes, one sometimes wonders whether the glories of Christ, and all that is connected with Him – the outward glories that belong to that peculiarly blessed Person – have not sometimes robbed us of the blessedness of that personal communication from Himself, which is so intensely dear, and cherished in His own heart.

Ques. Do you think that the danger with us in the morning meeting is to bring in the kingdom glories, rather than being occupied with the family side?

E.J.McB. Yes, and that is what I call going beyond Bethany.

I think nothing takes the earthly glory and glamour out of a person, and gives him heavenly colour, like the contemplation of that Man as seen in Luke.

Ques. What is the mount of Olives then?

E.J.McB. I understand the mount of Olives to be a spot where things are looked at entirely from God's standpoint; fleshly thoughts are of no account there.

Rem. To be looking on as an outsider at the display rather than going in?

E.J.McB. Yes, and perhaps sharing in it. We shall share in the display, but then the display with all its magnificence is the divine answer to the breakdown, but the Father's house is a scene of love and holy joy within.

Rem. I thought when we went in our view of His glory was extended?

E.J.McB. Yes, but if you enter the millennium now, you give Christ His place as Lord; that is what I should call a millennial setting. You are recognising that everything belongs to Christ before the world recognises it. It is giving Christ His due place of lordship over the soul.

Rem. I was thinking, He will not stop short till He brings us to His Father and our Father, to His God and our God.

E.J.McB. That is right. That is not onward, it is upward, as the writer of the hymn says, 'That way is upward still'. Hymn 12.

I like the view of Christ creatorially; one loves the stupendous greatness of God to dawn on the soul. God gave Job a lesson on astronomy, to get Himself in His greatness in Job's mind. It is very precious.

Ques. So you think that His joy would be now to carry us up?

E.J.McB. That is the whole point. I think you have lost the real import of the Supper if you are not translated in your affections.

Rem. And therefore a pause in the meeting may mean inward enjoyment.

E.J.McB. I do not know why in that hymn – Hymn 14 – of J.N.D.'s, 'Hark! ten thousand voices crying', the compilers of the hymn-book left out that wonderful verse, 'Till voice by voice in silence fails'.p>

Rem. Do you think we know perhaps too well the programme of the 'morning meeting' – up to a certain point, and consequently there is not the waiting at Bethany, because that is where our affections are led to, is it not?

E.J.McB. I like that; I think our danger is programme. Having been favoured by light, saints in their minds have got an ordered meeting made up. You cannot order privilege, you can order display.

Rem. I think that is interesting, because if we really look to the Lord as Head we cannot tell where He will lead.

E.J.McB. You could not tell the next thing that is going to be done. What is before me is the doorway into privilege.

Rem. So that really the enjoyment of the Supper would bring you in your affections to the family circle?

E.J.McB. My own experience is – I may be simpler than some – that the Supper makes Christ real and personal to me in affection.

Rem. I was thinking of that verse in Ephesians 2 where, after speaking of the riches of God's mercy, it says that in the ages to come He might display. Do you look at display in that light?

E.J.McB. I do. I have no hesitation in saying that no person has ever touched the joys that belong to the family circle of divine affections, without submitting first to Christ as Lord, owning His right to rule from the river to the ends of the earth.,p>

Rem. So really the kingdom is the way in.

Ques. Is that prior to the thought of Bethany then?

E.J.McB. It is. You touch the spot where all those rights are recognised. It was apparent to every one that Lazarus had been dead but was alive again. That is one of the features – the Colossian ground is there – risen with Christ; the power of death has been broken. Lazarus represents the company; he is a personal figure to represent the state of a Colossian company, so to speak.

Rem. Now that is John's view of Bethany. What would you say Luke's view of Bethany is?

E.J.McB. Well, Luke's view of it shows what it was to Christ. John's view is what it is for His own.

Rem. I suppose you would feel you wanted to hear the Lord's voice, His own voice, and you would want to have His own peculiar touch upon your spirit, and you would linger there in view of that.

E.J.McB. Yes, I have often connected it – I don't know what others think – with the little maid. Peter knocked at the door and she goes to the door, and she says, 'It is Peter'. 'Why don't you let him in?' She was too happy, because it was Peter.

Rem. I think that is good, because the brother then who gives thanks, does it in the freshness and power of the Spirit, and the saints recognise the Lord.

E.J.McB. Yes, he does not try to explain the Supper. I think brethren get into bondage because they think they have to explain the Supper.

Ques. Are you making Bethany and the breaking of bread synonymous?

E.J.McB. Yes, pretty much synonymous. You will find, if you read John, that at the time of the Supper, all those peculiar instances – Lazarus, Martha and Mary – connect themselves with the thought of the Supper.

Ques. Are you speaking of chapter 12?

E.J.McB. Yes.

Rem. There we read they made Him a supper.

E.J.McB. Yes, that is, the affections of the saints are secured for the pleasure of Christ; they want to entertain Him. I have no doubt whatever that when the millennial day is established, every one's desire will be to gratify the Lord.

Ques. Could you say a little about the remark you made, that if the Lord could detain us He would lead us as far as Bethany?

E.J.McB. I think He would detain us at Bethany. The tendency with us perhaps is that when the Lord brings us to a certain point, and His moral greatness rests in the soul, and we begin to get a sense of the greatness of Christ, we overlook the fact that the Head is there.

Ques. Do you look upon John 12 as a millennial scene, where they make Him a supper?

E.J.McB. Yes, I do. I think that the kind of spirit and attitude that should mark the saints as come together, is indicated there. They each one come from a home where they have learned the Lord personally, as illustrated in Martha and Mary and Lazarus.

Ques. What is the difference between what is mentioned in Luke, "carried up into heaven", and John, "I ascend"?

E.J.McB. As we have said, the two thoughts are distinct. In John it is not a question of the Son down here in weakness, but One who enters heaven in the right of His own Person, and there is a people who are wholly spiritual who can move without any hindrances. In John 20, you will notice, the Lord enters, the doors being shut. He is independent of doors.

Ques. So it is important to see these things in their own peculiar setting?

E.J.McB. It is very valuable. You want to keep the spiritual on its own plane. Hence the Lord says to Mary, "Touch me not". In Luke He says, "Handle me and see". You must keep the thing in its own bearing.

Ques. Would you say John's line is essentially spiritual? What would Luke's line be?

E.J.McB. I think the point in Luke is He secures it in your affections. The Lord wants the affections to move, and so we get the institution of the Supper in Luke. The Supper is open to the simplest affections.

Rem. What is set forth in the Supper is the way the Lord came down to the very bottom to reach us.

E.J.McB. And it was from that point that the Father raised Him. He was raised by the glory of the Father. That is, the Father secured a family in that Person.

Rem. So that being "carried up" does not depend on spirituality, it depends on the affections.

E.J.McB. That is the whole point. That is what Luke would secure.

ough the writer would say, 'I am just running over the thread so that you will know what we have had before'.

Ques. I have a difficulty about the ascending line. Is not the ascending line touched in the morning meeting?

E.J.McB. Oh yes, I think that; but it is not looked at from the side of the saints as being here in weakness and affliction, but as in spiritual power and dignity.

Rem. I suppose it would take the twenty-four elders to say, 'Amen'.

E.J.McB. It would indeed. In the early history of the saints they began on the line of Luke. Well, the enemy came in and said, 'I will very soon swamp that line; I will disorganise you, I will bring divisions among you'.

Rem. It is approached in a way from Luke's side?

E.J.McB. You must approach it in that way. If you do not know what it is to have been a guilty sinner, you have never known grace, nor anything of the precious things of God.

Ques. Would you, at the Supper, be happy if there was a little more waiting on the personal affection side – the Bethany side – rather than perhaps an immediate advance in connection with what is spiritual?

E.J.McB. Yes, speaking as a brother I wish we were detained more at the Supper; the Lord's movements take their spring from Bethany. Do not make up a meeting; the Lord would bring us to the Supper if we were simpler.

Rem. To bring personal feeling would be a disturbance; would the blameless hands be our associations?

E.J.McB. Yes, I think so. We have to do business with the world, to mix with men, but we can do it with clean hands – blameless hands.

Rem. The answer the second time is very beautiful, "Jehovah of hosts, he is the King of glory".

E.J.McB. Each brother and each sister should have an impression of the glory of Christ, and each impression of Christ would give a stimulus to the meeting. No brother would give the same impression.

Rem. One has often thought that if we make room for Christ as Head, the possibilities are great. We cannot limit Him.

E.J.McB. We can, as under His leading, let Him take us as far as He wants to, and when He wants us to stop, let it be as under His control.

Ques. Was He speaking to the affections when He showed His disciples His hands and His side?

E.J.McB. Yes, I think the Lord would confirm His compassion to us. We do not read it in history. It is confirmed to us.

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SONSHIP
Matthew 2: 13-15; 3: 15-17; 5: 43-45; 6: 16; 17: 5
Belfast, October 1911

I want to say a few words to you tonight on what I understand to be the thought of sonship – what it is to be brought into and enjoy the peculiar privilege of being one of the sons of God.

Now, there is nothing more important than that we should get, by the power of the Spirit of God, a clear sense in our souls of what God has called us to.

In Matthew's gospel we have the truth of sonship. No one will deny that the great thought in the King is that He is the Son. You will remember the first time a king was given to Israel, God drew attention to the fact that he was a son – Saul, the son of Kish.

Then you find in Matthew what might be called the characteristics of a son: you get his home; and then his privileges. In the first verse of chapter 1 we read,

But perhaps a still more striking example is recorded in Old Testament scripture – Pharaoh commanded that all the male children of the children of Israel should be killed. Why? Satan's thought was, beloved friends, that God should have no sons.

It is the world that is the danger to the young men. 1 John 2: 15. When first they start out in the vigour of Christianity, and in the enjoyment of Christ as their Saviour, they would allow nothing to divert them from Christ; but after a time, perhaps, they begin to become occupied with the things of the world.

Now, Christ is the great Pattern; and whilst the heavens opened upon Him in a pre-eminent way, still those who walk in the paths of righteousness – despised and rejected of men though they be – are objects of the most profound interest to heaven, and God looks down with delight upon them.

So, beloved friends, you are entitled down here, each one of you, to count yourself an object of the great delight of heaven. Scripture, speaking of the family of faith, says of them,

Now, another thing I want to refer to is, the spirit of the son. I think from Matthew's gospel, chapter 5, to the end of chapter 7, you see the spirit of a son.

If you take Moses, in Old Testament Scripture, you find that he started out in human strength to be a testimony; and he slew the Egyptian. But what had he to learn?

Now, in our ways and manner of life down here we are to be peace-makers. Does that mean that you are going to close your eyes to anything that is wrong? No, it does not.

Now, in chapter 5: 43-45, we read, "Ye have heard that it has been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who insult you and persecute you, that ye may be the sons of your Father who is in the heavens".

Take one case in New Testament Scripture. You remember when Paul was on his mission in Philippi, how the heart of Lydia, the seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, was drawn to him. She saw in him a man going about doing good, just like his Master; and she came to him and said,

"But seeing the crowds, he went up into the mountain, and having sat down, his disciples came to him; and having opened his mouth he taught them", Matthew 5: 1-2.

We get a beautiful example in Old Testament Scripture in the case of Elijah. Elijah was a man who was poor in spirit, meek and lowly, and yet he could come into this scene, and bring all the resources of heaven to bear upon the poor and needy people of the world.

"Ye have heard that it has been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies …", then He refers to the fact that if ye merely love those who love you, the tax-gatherers do the same, and if ye salute your brethren only, ye do no more than other people; and He closes with these words:

Now I come to another side of things, Matthew 16. People may say to you: It's all very well to talk, but we have to go through the world; we have to earn our bread and butter, and we have to face things here.

Now, in this chapter you find the home of the sons of God. The blessed Lord turns to the disciples and asks them;

It is a great thing to appreciate that circle where Christ is known in His own blessedness – where you go in from the turmoil of this world, and sit down and rest in His presence.

Now, as to the privileges, there are two great elements that interfere with the privileges of sons, and they are illustrated by Moses and Elias.

There are two classes of christians who are not enjoying the privilege of sons, and they are robbed of it by reason of this – on the one hand they say, 'I am not what I ought to be'. Granted.

May we, then, seek more diligently to enter into the peculiar dignity that belongs to us as "God's sons by faith in Christ Jesus", Galatians 3: 26, that the moral characteristics of sons may come out in us now for God's glory.

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