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The Holy Spirit
– F. E. Raven, J. Taylor, A. G. Brown,
P. Haddad, J. N. Darby

 
Addressing the Spirit – Introduction
• F. E. Raven: Ex: Letter 1892
• J. Taylor: Ex: Reading 1949
• J. Taylor: Ex: Reading 1950

• A. G. Brown: A Historical Review
• P. Haddad: Addressing the Spirit

• J. N. Darby: On Sealing with the Holy Ghost

 





ADDRESSING THE SPIRIT
INTRODUCTION

Being convicted that the 'open' sytem of meetings was unscriptural, I had begun a search for those with whom I might walk with a good conscience.

The only somewhat disturbing note was that a few seemed to be unhappy as to something among them, which was not immediately evident to me as a relative newcomer.

On reflection – nearly 60 years later – it is hard to understand why there was any opposition – though there are still to this day some who separated and still oppose.

The following from Studies: The Lord's Supper and the Service of God indicates how the recognition of the Spirit – both personally and objectively, not for His blest service alone – has rightly come forward after other truths.


The Service of God – The Dawn

The first sign of the dawn of the service of God, as we know it, was JND's concern as to the dearth of worshipful hymns to the Father, when working on the 1881 revision of Hymns and Spiritual Songs for the Little Flock.

  • In subsequent revisions many fine hymns were added.

That the exercise should have arisen first in relation to the Father is in accord with His place of supremacy in the economy.

    • Compare Matthew 28: 19; 1 Corinthians 8: 6; Ephesians 2: 18; 3: 14-17.

    • This is set out in the words of our Lord:

  • "The true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for also the Father seeks such as His worshippers", John 4: 23.

  • "My Father is greater than I", John 14: 28.

  • "Go to My brethren and say to them, I ascend to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God", John 20: 17.

The answer to increasing light as to response to the Father and, subsequently, to the Son and to the Spirit – and Their various relationships to the saints – is evident in the exercises in the ongoing revisions of the hymn book.

The Service of God – The Development

A Scriptural and spiritual pattern is apparent in the various features, and the order in which they have been opened up, in JT's ministry from c. 1900-53,

    • and which contribute to greater spiritual intelligence in participation in the service of God:
  1. the Lord's Supper as the Lord's, not the Father's or the Spirit's,

  2. the clarification of Christ's Person, and His Sonship in Manhood,

  3. His relationship with His own, both as His brethren and as His bride,

  4. His uniqueness as the Son, and our place as of the "many sons",

  5. recognition of the Spirit viewed objectively, and thus as One to be addressed in prayer and in worship,

  6. the place that Divine Persons have taken in the economy, leading to intelligent worship to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

All these great truths, and many blessed details connected with them, have contributed to the enrichment of the service [worship] of God.
  • Of special note are the many excellent new hymns and tunes, written by both brothers and sisters who cherished these truths.


Compare Guests: My Answer 1: "To Whom do you Pray?"; and

G.A.R.

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F.  E.  RAVEN

The following extract was apparently inadvertently omitted from the 'New
Series' of Letters of F. E. Raven. Source Gordon Simmonds Dec. 12, 2005.

F. E. Raven, 1837-1903

3, 8,'92."In regard to the point that you mention, I have not said more than what I have said to you.

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J.  TAYLOR
From 'Readings on Daniel', Indianapolis, November 1949, J.Taylor 78: 223-26
See: The Spirit as Seen Objectively in the Book of Acts, Toronto, 1942.

J. Taylor, 1870-1953

T.U. Is it proper to pray to the Holy Spirit?

J.T. I think it is proper to pray to the Holy Spirit. Look at Acts 10, how divine Persons may be regarded and used, and whether the Spirit is not involved in all that.

N.B. Practically speaking, we need much help to speak about the Spirit. Many of the brethren are not yet at all free.

J.T. What are we not free about? The Spirit of God is God Himself and He is here to look after things, to give help, and to operate, so why should not we look into the fact and see whether He is ready to be used in a certain way? Why cannot we use Him now as in Acts 10?

C.H.H. Are you referring to when the sheet was let down and there was a voice from heaven without saying who is speaking? And then it says, "The Spirit said to him".

J.T. Our brother asks, is it right to pray to Him? What does Peter say? He says something to Him. He answers the voice. And Peter said, "In no wise, Lord"; the Spirit is asking him something and he says something to Him.

C.H.H. It was an angel that appeared to Cornelius. It says, "saw plainly in a vision, about the ninth hour of the day, an angel of God coming unto him". Those communications, would you say, were evidently not so close?

J.T. Yes, an angel, but I was speaking of the communications to Peter, what he says to the voice.

C.H.H. "The Spirit said to him, Behold three men seek thee; but rise up, go down, and go with them, nothing doubting, because I have sent them".

R.W.S. In Ezekiel 2 the prophet converses with the Spirit. It says,

J.T. Quite so. These are important scriptures to have before us.

J.W. He went up on the house-top to pray, a direct allusion to the Spirit?

J.T. Quite so.

C.H.H. "Ye know how it is unlawful for a Jew to be joined or come to one of a strange race, and to me God has shewn to call no man common or unclean".

J.T. Showing how the divine Persons are available to us; from experience we know how we can speak to them. That is important in having experience with God.

C.H.H. And then Cornelius says, "Now therefore we are all present before God to hear all things that are commanded thee of God".

E.G.M. Chapter 11, verse 15, "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them", indicates that it was God, the Holy Spirit, acting.

J.T. We know He does that.

T.U. I was wondering if there would be the principle of prayer in regard to Rebecca, as ministering to the Spirit. She addresses the question to the servant. Would it be the principle of prayer in that she had a desire?

J.T. The actual types are just as important and instructive as the New Testament is in direct teaching as in Peter, James and John. You can use that scripture about the servant in Abraham's house as a type of the Holy Spirit.

J.K. Would the scripture in Luke come in? "Say to the master of the house".

J.T. Quite so. And, "How much rather shall the Father who is of heaven give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

A.B. It says in Luke 2 in relation to Simeon, "It was divinely communicated to him by the Holy Spirit".

J.T. Quite so.

J.P. So Daniel would be a model for us. He was in the good of current ministry. He understood from the books.

J.T. That is an important point, we shall come to that in chapter 9, God willing.

J.P. I was speaking of it as to whether we are familiar with the written ministry in regard to the Spirit now.

S.McC. I think what is in the minds of some is that in the notes of the Auckland meetings someone asked you if you would pray to the Spirit, and the reply was, 'I would not pray to the Spirit'.

J.T. At that time, I was not clear myself about it as I have been since. If you are not clear, it is right to make it clear that you are hesitant.

S.McC. I am sure what you say is helpful, I do not think we should abide by statements made years ago and hold fast to them, saying the truth is authoritative and hold to them. There may be adjustment.

J.T. I do not think Mr. Darby was as clear about that point as we are now. God has helped us and I know no one who would be more delighted than he were he here. He would be delighted, he would say, thank God.

E.J.M. I believe be said in one of his letters, 'I have no objection to call the Holy Ghost Lord as a general title in glory and Godhead'.

J.T. I think there was something like that.

R.W.S. Paul says, "Especially the parchments", would that be the latest ministry perhaps – notes sent around before publishing? We should be on the qui vive to get the latest.

C.H.H. Mr. Raven said if we could regard the Spirit in an objective way He would be an object of worship, but he said we cannot do that. But since then we have been taught we can view Him objectively.

J.T. Quite so. We have a book on that point.

J.  TAYLOR
From The Service of Song, Teddington, 1950, J.Taylor 70: 386

W.S.S. In one of Mr. Raven's letters,* as brethren will generally know, he writes on the assumption that the Spirit is not viewed objectively and says

J.T. I do not see why the early brethren did not take on the thought of the Spirit of God as we have now. It was evidently not brought out at that time.

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A.  G.  BROWN
The Departure from the Truth After its Recovery: A Historical Review

Mr. and Mrs. A. G. Brown

The history of the opening up* of the Scriptures re addressing the Spirit, and the opposition by some, is documented by A. G. Brown in his 1970 Historical Review.

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PHILIP  HADDAD
– Addressing the Holy Spirit
This is an interesting summation of the basis for 'Addressing the Spirit'. I never met Mr. Haddad personally, but did speak on the 'phone when he was in Toronto visiting Mr. R. W. N. Saunders.
I am thankful for his kindness in supplying the ministry of Mr. G. R. Cowell which now appears on 'My Brethren'.  GAR.


1. Any enquiry on this subject, as with any part of Divine truth, must be based on scripture.

2. This does not mean that everything we may or should do is actually enjoined in scripture.

3. For example, if we take the greatest assembly occasion, the Lord's Supper, we know that the Lord Jesus in giving thanks would give thanks to God.

4. We have been much helped in thinking of the assembly as the temple of God – 1 Corinthians 3: 16. And we often refer to it as the place of enquiry – Psalm 27: 4.

5. Similarly, if we think of the assembly as the body of Christ, we recognize that the Spirit is the one who operates in the body – 1 Corinthians 12: 11-12, 27.

6. He dwells in the temple – this is more connected with his Person; He operates in the body, which is more connected with His service.

7. So in John, chapters 14-16, where the Lord says much of the Holy Spirit.

8. The Lord in these chapters of John speaks of the Holy Spirit in a personal way, and by titles not found in any other writers in scripture – Comforter, the Spirit of truth.

9. If He teaches us and guides us, we may surely ask Him in relation to His teaching and also for His guidance.

10. The scriptures speak of

11. Every true Christian holds firmly the truth that while God is one there are three Persons in the Godhead.

12. So that on the basis of these scriptural considerations there is liberty, we may say,

13. While the hymn book we use is neither inspired nor perfect – only scripture is –

14. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the expanse sheweth the work of his hands”, Psalm 19: 1.

15. The Lord Jesus enjoins His disciples to go and make disciples of all the nations, and to baptize them

16. We know how sovereignly the Holy Spirit, in His own right as a Divine Person, operates in the book of Acts.

17. There is also chapter 13; the assembly hears the Spirit speaking:

18. The apostles and disciples would have needed no written liturgical instructions to address the Holy Spirit.

19. In addition to weighing the scriptural considerations suggested above, we should ask ourselves these questions:

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J.  N.  DARBY
ON SEALING WITH THE HOLY GHOST
Collected Wrings of JND, Volume 32, Doctrinal 9: 253-280

J. N. Darby, 1800-82

Our being sealed with the Spirit is too important a point to allow it to settle down into the ambiguity and mist into which it is fallen in many souls.

When John the Baptist proclaimed Christ to his disciples, he announced Him under two characters:

I refer to these passages, and many more connected with the point might be quoted, to shew the immense importance of this fact.

Whither He went we know; John 14: 4. The Comforter is sent by the Father in Christ's name (John 14: 26), and by Christ from the Father; chapter 15: 26. But these are details.

The texts we have briefly referred to have brought before us some very weighty points.

Further, we have seen that until redemption was accomplished, and there was the man that did God's will, sitting at God's right hand in consequence of it, the Holy Ghost (spoken of as constituting and characterising Christianity by His presence) was not yet.

This is of all importance. The point of departure of Christianity was man's taking a new place in righteousness on high, consequent on redemption being accomplished where sin and death and Satan's power and God's judgment were; that Man being Son of God withal.

Scripture is clear as to its being only for believers. John 7, already quoted, states the fact:

But it is stated more strongly in John 14: 16-17,

The world knew nothing of it, but in its effects. It was for those only who already believed on Him, putting them consciously in the place in which He was with God.

All this is something quite different from my being born again, or even that special quickening in the power of Christ in resurrection, with being born of God by His word of truth (John 20: 22),

It is of moment to distinguish between the sealing and the operation of Him who is the seal when dwelling in us.

Here it may be well to notice the Epistle to the Romans, confusion as to which produces confusion in the minds of saints.

As is generally acknowledged now, and certainly is the case, there are two distinct treatises in the doctrinal part of Romans.

Guilt by our acts is a different thing from our state as children of Adam.

Now the sealing of the Holy Ghost, based on forgiveness, gives the intelligence and consciousness of this new position.

The Spirit may rebuke and humble us as to consistency with the place we are in. Thank God He does.

"We have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

In this sense, What is it to be in the flesh? It is to be in relationship with God on the ground of our natural responsibility as men, as children of fallen Adam.

Take the parable of the prodigal son. When he came to himself, you hear much about him; he owns his sin, that he is perishing, and sets out to his father, for confidence (not peace) always accompanies divine awakening, but he says as a consequence, Make me as one of thy hired servants.

Now his whole condition was changed; it was what his father was for him, and had done for him.

Hence, in Galatians, no kind words to begin with, no salutations at the end.

The presence of the Holy Ghost was specifically and distinctively the consequence of the glorifying of Jesus, who had accomplished the work that saves us, in dying, shedding His blood for us as man, and rising again.

We have redemption through Christ's blood, the forgiveness of sins; the Holy Ghost is the earnest of our inheritance till the redemption of the purchased possession.

It is alleged the case was different – He was not come. Quite true, but they were born of God.

A Christian, then, is one in whose body the Holy Ghost dwells as in a temple, giving him consciously the place in which accomplished redemption places him;

There are three great privileges which result from the presence of the Holy Ghost, though all in us should flow from it.

But it is not promises, or accomplished millennial peace, blessed as that will be in its place, but, God having wrought us for an eternal weight of glory, the revelation of which eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man to conceive, but which God hath revealed to them that love Him.

Forgiveness, the Father's love, our portion and place in Christ, with joy in hope of the glory of God, such is the place and portion of those whose life Christ is.

The new man is capable of enjoying divine and heavenly things, but cannot reveal them.

Another point now comes in, the connection of this with the state or experience of the soul. I do not now mean of guilt and imputation of sins: of that I have spoken.

This was evidently a new ground and subject; personal guilt and judgment rested on what each sinner had done.

It was not now the forgiveness of the sins of the old man, and cleansing from them by grace, and so being brought into present favour on God's part towards us,

I have said that chapter 6 gives us the basis of this in doctrine. We are baptised, our profession of Christianity is to Christ's death, our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin, as a whole in its concrete form, might be destroyed. There is an end of our old Adam state by the cross.

"We are crucified with him." Here it is our "old man."

Now the first part of the epistle brings us from conscious guilt into divine favour and knowledge of divine love, as justified by Christ's work;

Our state and standing out of Christ and in Christ is another and distinct point, but when in Christ the sealing of the Holy Ghost is here also assumed and developed.

But we have the two points: we are born again; but this is not enough, for the flesh is there, and what characterises the law is our obtaining righteousness by what we are. But sin is there.

The deliverance, then, is by the death of Christ, that is, my being crucified with Him, and connected with Him as risen

And now mark that in the parenthetical chapter 7, which treats of the bearing of law on the question, we have two states of the soul,

The experience of chapter 7 is not the cry of a man in it not knowing what it is, but the estimate of it by one who can judge of it with spiritual knowledge.

The law is seen to be spiritual in its requirements, his conscience consents to it as good, his heart delights in it after the inner man, but he does not succeed in keeping it.

The chapter is the estimate of the working of the law by one who has the Spirit, and can say, "We know."

Thus the two experimental states are gone into, under law, and in the power of the Spirit in Christ.

But here the power of the Holy Ghost comes which dwells in us. It is a sum of our state in, already in, verse 2.p>

There is, then, a deliverance* – not being born again, not forgiveness – though both be true – but deliverance,

It was the gospel of their salvation which led to the sealing of the Gentiles. I have no doubt that He who began the good work will perfect it unto the day of Jesus Christ.

The comparison of some passages in Romans and Galatians shews distinctly how this is a distinct state, and not a mere progress in the condition of the soul, the liberty of sons, the fruit of redemption, in contrast with bondage under law, even if born of God.

Chapter 5 exhorts them to stand fast in this liberty; the flesh lusted against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; but if led of the Spirit, they were not under law.

Though the flesh is in us, we are not in it, not in that standing before God, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in us, not if born of God; that they were when undelivered.

Bad teaching, which puts being born again (a vital and necessary truth, and examining whether we be in the faith, a very natural thing then, but a mere and entire misinterpretation of Scripture), instead of an accomplished and known redemption by the work of Christ,

Ask them what it means, when it says that by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified; they cannot tell you: each sin, after its commission, has to find its forgiveness as and when it may; and people are taught that it is a very dangerous doctrine to think otherwise.p>

There is one text as to which it may be well to add a supplementary word:

Verse 1 puts us in Christ, this verse Christ in us, which is the Christian state, according to the promise in John 14.

There is one other passage I would refer to, as sometimes cited,

Thus entering into what the Holy Ghost brings us into, we dwell in God, and God in us. And this is the position of every Christian, of whoever believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Read the verses from chapter 2: 28; chapter 3: 3: is He spoken of as God, or as man?

Paul gives us this administrative and judicial dealing of God. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, by faith in Christ the Son, who has wrought redemption.

Now when Christ is at all truly preached, even where the efficacy of His work is not clearly applied, still what has that efficacy is placed before the soul as a truth.

In result, then, the pattern and the model of the Christian's place is Matthew 3: 16-17.


I allow myself to add a line on another subject, as misrepresentation has gone forth.

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